Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

[persona_is_unknown]

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Though they've been in breach of previous commitments in the past, they haven't violated it as brazenly as they've this time. That's the difference.

China attacked India 1962 by breaking the Panchsheel Treaty, do you really think they are going to follow a normal talk result between low-level army personnel.

 

[Saaho]

First reply
1. IA is superior to china ( in experience of mountain terrain and personal training but suffer a limited setback due to old machinery)
2. IN is lagging in no of warship, aircraft carrier, and submarines
3. IA is at equal level (the depleted squadron number is a problem but our pilots are better and planes are war proven)
4. Economy says we are not at the position to go at war
RESULT :- Give reply if required, but don't escalate it at all (But I think Chinese is going to escalate this in coming days)

May I ask, are you comparing India China on a 1:1 basis?

 

[AbRaj]

You always neutralize the immediate threat first, India is not a problem for west until and unless India surpasses China in economic growth
china and USA both are evil but for specifically India at this time china is a bigger problem and it is going to remain for 1 decade

As per our best brains (with cortex growing out of their skull) Murcia is evil. China is our friendly neighbor.

You can't as no one could. No one would ever. This land is in the direct care of Lord Vishnu. Trying to understand it is same as trying to understand Vishnu himself. Simply impossible.

that is just mythology.
But the reality is we are the nation of Gandhi and NaharWho. They taught us how not to fight for justice but to beg for it. NaharWho taught us how to surrender when you are winning.

 

[_Anonymous_]

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China attacked India 1962 by breaking the Panchsheel Treaty, do you really think they are going to follow a normal talk result between low-level army personnel.

Well, in case you haven't noticed since 1976 there hasn't been a shot fired till date of which till 1993 we didn't even have any arrangements or agreements with them. Since 1993 we've had a plethora of agreements with them though it has also resulted in us being pushed back and their boundaries being advanced most notably since 2006 onwards.

 

[safriz]

So who has the control on Pengong lake featured in 3 idiots movie?

I read somewhere its now in Chinese control.

 

[persona_is_unknown]

May I ask, are you comparing India China on a 1:1 basis?

Yes, but in a very broad manner, however, I know that India is going to face at least a 2 front war if not a two and half front war.

 

[AbRaj]

Being sarcastic is good, but completely denying to understand the point of view of others for that is not so much.
I never said that Chinese are our bros or we should not fight them. I only wanted a US China scuffle before that. That's all. It didn't happen and hence I am concerned. But that doesn't mean that I don't want retribution or heck a decisive war with China.

World doesn’t revolves around someone’s whims and fantasies.

As I said earlier chinks are robbing your house and you are busy exercising your brain with fantasies like someone will come and scare the robber.
IDK it’s cowardice or just plain stupidity or mixture of both.

 

[Saaho]

Yes, but in a very broad manner, however, I know that India is going to face at least a 2 front war if not a two and half front war.

China may very well face 3 front war. India, US and Japan/Australia.

At the very least they will need to keep a large reserve for that front.

 

[persona_is_unknown]

China may very well face 3 front war. India, US and Japan/Australia.

At the very least they will need to keep a large reserve for that front.

Japan never sends it's army even under united nation banner, forget about it's participation in multi-nation war
US participation will make sure Russian participation in south china sea
India will surely get western help in terms of putting pressure on the world stage

So who has the control on Pengong lake featured in 3 idiots movie?
View attachment 16477

I read somewhere its now in Chinese control.

Nobody knows the exact status
show source of news
unverified news are just random inputs, they are "neither right, nor wrong"

 

[Saaho]

So who has the control on Pengong lake featured in 3 idiots movie?
View attachment 16477

I read somewhere its now in Chinese control.

Devil knows but british rumor mills are saying this :


https://epistlenews.co.uk/featured/06/17/india-captures-chinese-side-of-pangong-lake-region-controlled-by-china-since-1962-sources.html

India Captures Chinese Side of Pangong Lake – Region Controlled by China Since 1962: sources
June 17, 2020

 

[AbRaj]

Japan never sends it's army even under united nation banner, forget about it's participation in multi-nation war
US participation will make sure Russian participation in south china sea
India will surely get western help in terms of putting pressure on the world stage

Nobody knows the exact status
show source of news
unverified news are just random inputs, they are "neither right, nor wrong"

We only need help in Ocean. US could do that, Russians couldn’t.

 

[persona_is_unknown]

World doesn’t revolves around someone’s whims and fantasies.

As I said earlier chinks are robbing your house and you are busy exercising your brain with fantasies like someone will come and scare the robber.
IDK it’s cowardice or just plain stupidity or mixture of both.

I agree. You can't count on anyone.
Pakistan was counting on the USA during the Bangladesh liberation war and we all know what were the outcomes.

 

[Saaho]

Japan never sends it's army even under united nation banner, forget about it's participation in multi-nation war
US participation will make sure Russian participation in south china sea
India will surely get western help in terms of putting pressure on the world stage

Its not only question of actual participation, mere threat of participation. That makes your resource allocation different. China has to account for 3 or more fronts. You can no longer attribute all of China's arsenal towards India. China has to reserve about half of her strength to face a possible aggression from US. Another 25 % for Japan and Australia. 10% for internal security. That leaves mere 15% of Chinese forces for facing India.

As far as Japan not participating, there are lots of first in this year and last. Had you anticipated? 1. World wide major pandemic? 2. Fatalities in Indo-China border? 3. Massive US riots giving all the Indian riots a run for her money.

 

[persona_is_unknown]

Its not only question of actual participation, mere threat of participation. That makes your resource allocation different. China has to account for 3 or more fronts.

As far as Japan not participating, there are lots of first in this year and last. Had you anticipated? 1. World wide major pandemic? 2. Fatalities in Indo-China border? 3. Massive US riots giving all the Indian riots a run for her money.

Yes, it is true that allocation will be completely different in case of a threat of US participation.

 

[AbRaj]

Sorry to disappoint you but if Russia comes in support of china then you can't stop Chinese navy movement in the pacific ocean and south china sea. Russia faces problems in the pacific ocean in winter only but not now.
however if USA comes in support of India (extremely hypothetical case) then India can block Chinese movement in Singapore region

Your thinking is flawed. Russia doesn’t even have a ACC. Compared to them even Chinese Nevy looks like a huge armada.

 

[AbRaj]

Indeed. But it never stops a common human being to wish for something and expressing sadness if it doesn't get fulfill. I don't know what triggered you so much. I think it is your prejudice and limited cranial capacity. On both counts only you could help yourself.
As for rest I have already replied, not going to waste more of my space-time on you.

You don’t wish is a war. You just foking fight and fight to kill the enemy.
And BTW these mango mans don’t fight. Only brave fights.

 

[Saaho]

Sorry to disappoint you but if Russia comes in support of china then you can't stop Chinese navy movement in the pacific ocean and south china sea. Russia faces problems in the pacific ocean in winter only but not now.

First rule of selling weapons : don't fight with your customer. Also, don't fight for your customer against another customer. Especially if it is your biggest customer. Customer fighting among themselves is good for your business, if your business is to sell weapons.

however if USA comes in support of India (extremely hypothetical case) then India can block Chinese movement in Singapore region

Errr.. if you consider Russian involvement for China as possible then American involvement for India is a total certainty in that scale. Not to mention, it is much more likely irrespective of everything else. Why? Ask Taiwan and Japan and Australia. And Boeing, LockMart et al.

Also, what is "extremely hypothetical case"?
All cases here are hypothetical ones, isn't it? What is extremely hypothetical? I never knew that there are degrees of hypothesis.

 

[jetray]

Economy says we are not at the position to go at war

I am certain its not going to be a full scale war where we fire cruise & BM or send in figher jets thats going to cost billions of dollars. We are already fighting a limited war with pakistan. Only problem will be infrastructure development will suffer. On the other hand it also gives us opportunity to have a go at their infra as well. Things will go out of control if there is any attack on civilian areas. Second thing if we can engage them till winter then its half the job done ,after that any one one who stays behind gains upper hand.

 

[Saaho]

4. Economy says we are not at the position to go at war

So, in 1930s Germany was a massive economic power or europeans were really sound economically or US was doing exceptionally well economically to fight a war? Or Vietnam was having a GDP per cap in excess of 100K USD, adjusted for inflation?

Wars are not fought on the basis of economy. Wars are fought defend your interests when ever needed.
You prepare for war with economy. That time is long past.

The difference is subtle and is often lost on most folks.

 

[Sanglamorre]

First reply
1. IA is superior to china ( in experience of mountain terrain and personal training but suffer a limited setback due to old machinery)
2. IN is lagging in no of warship, aircraft carrier, and submarines
3. IA is at equal level (the depleted squadron number is a problem but our pilots are better and planes are war proven)
4. Economy says we are not at the position to go at war
RESULT :- Give reply if required, but don't escalate it at all (But I think Chinese is going to escalate this in coming days)


Second reply
defence forum are not for sharing feelings, they are for discussing strategies (but I think this forum is different so nevermind, I won"t waste my time here)

What made you think I don't know these points?

My point is simple: if we don't take hard military options, Chinese will eke out a threshold. They'll continue needling us right under that threshold. For Pakistan, it is 40 men killed. For China? They're trying to figure that out, if GoI doesn't do anything, they'll keep escalating or Toto see small batches of our men being attacked like 15th.

Economy is in gutter due to Covid. But some metrics like oil is high due to low consumption. If we're waiting for a booming economy to hit Chinese, it isn't happening anytime soon. But if we keep waiting, they'll know we'll stomach attempted land grabs, deaths of our men by treachery as long as we can convince ourselves our situations aren't 100% to favour war.

Nobody is talking about a full scale war either. Not gonna happen. But limited skirmish is needed. Sometimes, pride is more important. This is one such pivotal moment.

And you might think it's proper to treat public as mushroom and kept in dark and fed feces, but it is this public that gives soldiers, those to serve in every capacity, run businesses etc etc. What exactly are you going to do with a population that will get demoralised due to non-action? Forget war, a public distraught that Chinese are so powerfuru(if GoI sits pretty) isn't going to lead to a booming economy either.

A public who lost and is humiliated is driven, like Germany
A public who has won is driven.

A public who thinks no matter what they do, their govt won't save their lands and property from invaders will do jack.