Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

Sanglamorre said:
What made you think I don't know these points?

My point is simple: if we don't take hard military options, Chinese will eke out a threshold. They'll continue needling us right under that threshold. For Pakistan, it is 40 men killed. For China? They're trying to figure that out, if GoI doesn't do anything, they'll keep escalating or Toto see small batches of our men being attacked like 15th.

Economy is in gutter due to Covid. But some metrics like oil is high due to low consumption. If we're waiting for a booming economy to hit Chinese, it isn't happening anytime soon. But if we keep waiting, they'll know we'll stomach attempted land grabs, deaths of our men by treachery as long as we can convince ourselves our situations aren't 100% to favour war.

Nobody is talking about a full scale war either. Not gonna happen. But limited skirmish is needed. Sometimes, pride is more important. This is one such pivotal moment.

And you might think it's proper to treat public as mushroom and kept in dark and fed feces, but it is this public that gives soldiers, those to serve in every capacity, run businesses etc etc. What exactly are you going to do with a population that will get demoralised due to non-action? Forget war, a public distraught that Chinese are so powerfuru(if GoI sits pretty) isn't going to lead to a booming economy either.

A public who lost and is humiliated is driven, like Germany
A public who has won is driven.

A public who thinks no matter what they do, their govt won't save their lands and property from invaders will do jack.
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whether we go full hog or not, the intention should be there. This is the very same reason pakistan was sponsoring terrorism even though it did not affect economy in a big way. chinese will today will bully us in the himalayas next they will bring a nuclear sub into Indian ocean. We are just giving them permission to abuse us. If a bankrupt pakistan can India , we obviously can do better.

All those ppl who talk about economy are forgetting the fact if once china reaches Indian ocean then most of our trade will be under threat. Its better to push them behind the himalayas and contain them there.
 
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My analysis:

Actually what ever has happened the main reason is economy and political power grab only. I seriously think Xi should shunt some of his military advisors and policy makers because pressure tactics will not stop FDI leaving China due to covid crisis. Secondly, some officers in PLA want skirmish, but Xi has different plans. The difference between Xi and PLA is clear. He really needs to identify culprits in CCP which will cause more embarrassment to Xi.

Remember when Xi was with Modi during his India in visit 2016 PLA acted against the orders in Ladakh in alpine area, near Pangong Tso, same place? Later Xi went back and removed the men involved from office. Even in China the political unrest is fuming up. I won't be surprized if some 3rd or 4th in command or some anti Xi group in CCP conspires with PLA to overthrow Xi.

What happened in Galwan seems to be PLA going out of control like last time. I always maintained that there should be no direct confrontation between India and China rather they should do whatever they want in some third or fourth country. But there are black sheep in CCP who want to take control and want third party involvement in the region.
 
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jetray said:
so what will pakistan do if ex-daddy US warns to stay away from the fight? will they oblige or take advantage of the situation.
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I guess we will have to wait and see.
Indian priority right now should be China not Pakistan.
However you army and jantw are so obsessed with Pakistan that it becomes pityful .
 
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Saaho said:
Its not defense minister who is running the show. Its south block and the inmates of that. He was selected because he gels well with the inmates of south block.

Actually fighting with sticks and stones should have been favourable for us.... Why we didn't deploy enough forces to over power Chinese is a mystery. We should put ITBP under IA control and deploy 50 K folks in the region and just flood those positions with superior number. If they escalate to firearms or arty, start dropping bombs on them from ALL the airbases in the region. At that point all the treaty will be null and void in any sense of the word.
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at least carry your handguns with you for protection.
 
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screambowl said:
Sir when all this was planned in Lhasa HQ ,Tibet military region were the intel guys sleeping? Till then no one raises the red flags until the sovereignty is breached?

The criteria of selection is so tough, to get caught with pants down?

Kargil was in same pattern, Doklam was also similar. You people never have right information on adversary!
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India hasn't developed intelligence capabilities even in Tibet after our ex PM barred human intelligence operations across borders. So I don't think we have moles in PLA. The so called intelligence is just satellite, drone and occasional electronic snooping.
The same cannot be said about china not having assets inside Indian armed forces or commies.
 
Sanglamorre said:
My point is, will GoI actually respond? We surely aren't doing a charade of look the opposition performed even worse in this case scenario are we? If we are, that's a disappointment. Public mood is for war. Not a talkathon. Not diplomatic spin-doctorism. Not MoD-MEA clusterfuck. Public is with our Forces, not a govt of the day that will wimp out, like Neheru in '62.
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It depends on what you consider a response. If you are talking about war, then what is the objective?
The same with economic and diplomatic offensive. What are the main objectives?

In case GoI does respond effectively, their way of doing it may not suit with your taste either. It might be extremely effective, but you may consider it as not enough.
 
safriz said:
I guess we will have to wait and see.
Indian priority right now should be China not Pakistan.
However you army and jantw are so obsessed with Pakistan that it becomes pityful .
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For us both countries can be a priority. That's actually why we keep talking about a two-front war.
 
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River of Sorrow

It strange and true that the Chinese have a bitter history of fighting and losing soldiers midstream the rivers against their adversaries.

The recent Galvan incident near Patrolling Point 14 overlooking Galwan River was somewhat similar to Sino Russin border Skirmish on Amur river in South Siberia. The icy frozen river was witness to Russians and Chiese troop indulging in hand to hand fight in 1969 in which so many Chinese soldiers were beaten to death and thrown into in the river by the Russians.

In Galwan the Chinese perhaps had that institutional memory at the back of their mind and may have wished to redeem themselves of that horrible memory least realizing that the ledge they were standing on throwing stones from top on Indian soldiers would collapse taking down more than 50 Chinese into icy Galwan killing many of them.

Here again The Chinese instead of redeeming themselves from Amur shame agin got into bad side of Indian soldiers again to remain shut and calm about their massive casualties.. and maybe another shame.
 
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vvabhiram said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1273356658190643200

https://twitter.com/x/status/1273451306326228992

Either a diversion tactic or this is how it is going to end
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Next they will come with big dump trucks and try to bull doze us. I suggest we be one step ahead of them and also be more creative.

I think we should take vantage point and keep big boulders ready and roll them when they approach.
Give cover using sling shots.
Throw shit or rotting carcass at them, yeah you heard that right.
build catapults which throw stones.
Use massive water pumps to fire water jets at them.
Use big speakers and blare shitty bollywood songs 24/7.
Get some tibetan mastiffs and let them lose after keeping them hungry for a day. Infect them with rabies for more effect.
Do some voodo black magic and splash rotten sauce all over the place.
Start dynamiting the entire area, claim it is normal construction.
Set up animal traps and trap them.
Open a camp for xinjianj refugees right across the line.
capture few of them and use them as sheilds.
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Instead of army, CRPF from kashmir would more suited to handle these barbarians. We need to adopt guerilla tactics, hit & run and then ambush them.

No doubt for every thing we do they will have other plans to open a front elsewhere. Either we need to guess their next move or we need a surprise element , normal response wont be much useful.
 
screambowl said:
My analysis:

Actually what ever has happened the main reason is economy and political power grab only. I seriously think Xi should shunt some of his military advisors and policy makers because pressure tactics will not stop FDI leaving China due to covid crisis. Secondly, some officers in PLA want skirmish, but Xi has different plans. The difference between Xi and PLA is clear. He really needs to identify culprits in CCP which will cause more embarrassment to Xi.

Remember when Xi was with Modi during his India in visit 2016 PLA acted against the orders in Ladakh in alpine area, near Pangong Tso, same place? Later Xi went back and removed the men involved from office. Even in China the political unrest is fuming up. I won't be surprized if some 3rd or 4th in command or some anti Xi group in CCP conspires with PLA to overthrow Xi.

What happened in Galwan seems to be PLA going out of control like last time. I always maintained that there should be no direct confrontation between India and China rather they should do whatever they want in some third or fourth country. But there are black sheep in CCP who want to take control and want third party involvement in the region.
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There is no difference between the PLA and Xi. Trying to find reasons and not putting the blame on Xi is detrimental to our interests. How do you explain away HK and Taiwan? How do you explain away Xi telling his army to get ready for war?

We need to get out of this habit of looking for corridors of peace when the playground is of war.
 
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