Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

This massive debate on what our Babus & diplomats will do is actually pointless.
Need to wait for the meeting tomorrow & the decision that is taken.
China has claimed Galwan Valley to be theirs - there is no way we can hand it to them.
Question is how long before the fight begins.
 
Vicky said:
India hasn't developed intelligence capabilities even in Tibet after our ex PM barred human intelligence operations across borders. So I don't think we have moles in PLA. The so called intelligence is just satellite, drone and occasional electronic snooping.
The same cannot be said about china not having assets inside Indian armed forces or commies.
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CPI, CPI(M) the leftists, majority of them are their mouth pieces. More over Chinese get all the info on IA through Pakistan and India needs to rely on US and Australia.
 
_Anonymous_ said:
All along we've been told that in order to attack or sustain the offensive in high altitudes the Chinese would need a ratio of 3:1 to their advantage at the very minimum & that they didn't have those kind of resources deployed for such a purpose which sort of goes against the grain of what you're suggesting.
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Yep, they do not have that right now, but they can build up that level of forces in a month. So if we take Aksai Chin during that month, we can also lose it if the Chinese bring in enough forces.

The world economy is flat. Even if it weren't, I don't see anyone financially sustaining us. We didn't enjoy this privilege even in 1962 where the Kennedy administration was backing us to the hilt. What hope now? We're in this on our own.
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It doesn't have to come in during the war. It needs to come in after the war is over in the form of investments and cheap loans. For example, if GoI planned to build $20B worth of roads somewhere and that money was diverted for the war effort, the other countries can step in and contribute the funds for those same roads instead.

Anyway, in this case, a victory for India will help the US and Japan elsewhere along the Chinese border. So it's in their interest to make sure India wins.
 
suryakiran said:
We need to get out of this habit of looking for corridors of peace when the playground is of war.
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You need to understand the enemy before taking on. Because not most but every time IA army is caught sleeping and only crisis management is looked upon not crisis prevention. Lack of info lack of understanding of Chinese polit buro, lack of so many things Won't get your designs work.
 
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jetray said:
Yes you are right more land we capture greater the bargaining power. But do we have the ability to do that without much preparation? I doubt so.
This govt is already calculating the economic cost than devising security strategy. I am sure ambani will make more calls to PM than chinese.

yup make best use of what we have. Fight tactically and smartly , send the message across that economy or no economy they will get a response.
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The problem is we are stuck in situation similar to Kargil. We want to be the good guys and also want reclaim aksai chin by force. We lack initiative the Chinese are controlling all the escalation ladders. The present situation is not escalating as expected because the whole drama is being shrouded in secrecy by both governments. Some were saying it was an accident now it comes out that it was planned attack by the PLA ,a new version on BRF has come that the 16th Bihar had discovered more buildup during their night patrol which led them to burn the tents leading to PLA soldiers finding out and attacking us.
I doubt the situation is going to change apart from more incident sof stone pelting from both sides....
 
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randomradio said:
It doesn't have to come in during the war. It needs to come in after the war is over in the form of investments and cheap loans. For example, if GoI planned to build $20B worth of roads somewhere and that money was diverted for the war effort, the other countries can step in and contribute the funds for those same roads instead.

Anyway, in this case, a victory for India will help the US and Japan elsewhere along the Chinese border. So it's in their interest to make sure India wins.
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Govt of India, currently has NO soverign bond in dollars. ZERO. Infact, RBI HATES dollar bonds. IF GoI issues 10 billion of dollar bonds they will be subscribed faster than the time we have spent in going from 100-150 page of this thread.
 
Saaho said:
Govt of India, currently has NO soverign bond in dollars. ZERO. Infact, RBI HATES dollar bonds. IF GoI issues 10 billion of dollar bonds they will be subscribed faster than the time we have spent in going from 100-150 page of this thread.
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Sure, we have other options to raise money. I'm talking about free money, like the kind Pakistan received from the US during the WoT.
 
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Saaho said:
Govt of India, currently has NO soverign bond in dollars. ZERO. Infact, RBI HATES dollar bonds. IF GoI issues 10 billion of dollar bonds they will be subscribed faster than the time we have spent in going from 100-150 page of this thread.
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What are you talking bro? That Jahil phateechar bhikmanga and bankrupt Pakistan slaps India every time irrespective of economy or bonds and bring India on negotiation table, well a country with 1.35 billion population doesn't need dollars. It only needs self reliance which comes from technology and manufacturing capability and most importantly a design an aim a consensus what the politburo in India doesnt have.

Is there any other consensus among the politburo in India except for horse trading talking big on stage, blame game and tv debates? Once election is won, there is no plan ahead. Pakistan, China and rest of the nations have designs and consensus that what exactly they want.

In India Tamil Nadu wants something else, Bihar has different agenda, West Bengal has it's own regime, and Delhi has it's own Sultanat. Have you seen people in other countries meddling in federal issues? Rarely or mostly never! But in India even Shibu soren and Pappu Yadav type people start commenting on things which they don't understand and do dharna.
 
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Saaho said:
Lemme ask you one thing. How did the 1993/96 treat come into being? Who put together a treaty in which we agreed to terms of holding LAC as sacred, not bringing guns within 2 kms etc etc etc while NOT agreeing to vital point : What is LAC?

This didn't come out of Rao or Bajpei. These details and devil which go with them come out of Dabbas of south block and MEA.

Not to absolve Rao or Bajpei or Modi, but Rao and Bajpei and Modi are still removeable parts of the system. The rusty nuts and bolts are elsewhere.
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Every single comma and dot is approved by political head, don't ignore this most important part of decision making.

They stack their advisors with loyalist bureaucrats and those with even a little doubt are sent to useless departments. This has created army of yes man who go few step ahead in sycophancy.

If political boss says give 1km they will fight hard to give only 0.5km to be in good books.

Politicians have full right to choose the people they want to work with and rightly so, because they are decision makers and accountable not bureaucrats. Check example of Nripendra Mishra.

I am not defending the administrative services, they are rotten to core, super corrupt and slaves of political masters, unlike many who speculate from outside I have seen it in action but that should not mean we should blame them for things they are not responsible.
 
screambowl said:
In India Tamil Nadu wants something else, Bihar has different agenda, West Bengal has it's own regime, and Delhi has it's own Sultanat. Have you seen people in other countries meddling in federal issues? Rarely or mostly never! But in India even Shibu soren and Pappu Yadav type people start commenting on things which they don't understand and do dharna.
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I am currently in Canada. And the Quebec and rest of Canada has a relationship that will make Tamil Nadu/WB look like a walk in park.

Imagine, if Indian Prime Minister was forced to speak 21 or so languages. Thats right. NO Prime Minister will become a prime minister in Canada if he cannot speak French. Why? Quebec.
 
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BlackOpsIndia said:
Yeah you should hear more that he functions under political head.
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I think the issue here is the quality of advice they offer & not the decisions to be taken which in any case is not theirs to make. For further clarity, Imagine for a moment, you're held accountable for issues over which you have no decision making powers except for an advisory role & executive capacity for decisions taken elsewhere. How exactly would you behave?
 
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