Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

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I think the issue here is the quality of advice they offer & not the decisions to be taken which in any case is not theirs to make. For further clarity, Imagine for a moment, you're held accountable for issues over which you have no decision making powers except for an advisory role & executive capacity for decisions taken elsewhere. How exactly would you behave?
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They present the non military side advice which should very much be presented to decision maker for better informed decision. They also help minister in seeing thru some tricks employed to force the hand, similarly army too call out BS and cost of inaction.

Army thinks in particular way, from security point of view and that's from where they present their options and proposals. No doubt it's for better security of nation but we have to select what we can pick due to scarcity of resources, that's where they come.
 
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They present the non military side advice which should very much be presented to decision maker for better informed decision. They also help minister in seeing thru some tricks employed to force the hand, similarly army too call out BS and cost of inaction.

Army thinks in particular way, from security point of view and that's from where they present their options and proposals. No doubt it's for better security of nation but we have to select what we can pick due to scarcity of resources, that's where they come.
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I don't think you've fully understood what I wanted to convey. While I'm not disputing what you've written, the very fact that the Defense Secretary is vested with the responsibility for the defense of the nation should raise an eyebrow if not questions on his role . How exactly is an unelected bureaucrat tasked with such a responsibility? In a situation where in the odds are stacked up, how can one expect him to render impartial advice if it's his neck on the line, literally, if things go awry.

What this clearly means is that tomm if there's a debacle & if there's a parliamentary committee called to ascertain what's gone wrong & apportion blame, it's not the defense minister who can be charged under law but the defense secretary.
 
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Saaho said:
Couple of things :
1. Government come and go, Dabbas are constant. Also, termination of Dabba selected by UPSC is no joke. They can go and fight in court and after some time they will be reinstated. There are too many precedences of this for courts to ignore. The get all the salary in arrears too.

2. These posts are political indeed. But where do they get the candidates from? Same damn pool of endless Dabba-Wallas. Only their favourites. Lastly, please read my post which has been moved to OT section. Dabbas do not revolt. They put things in due process to cover their posteriors. Meaning, things are never done.

3. CDS system is too new. Dabbas are too deep in the system.

4. Modi is NOT as "New" and "Revolutionary" as people make out of him. At the end of the day, he is a politician. Indian one. One thing people quickly learn in joining government AT any level is this : You cann't work in govt system as a outsider. You have to work with the system. So, to treat PM as different from this system is simple stupidity. RM/PM will HAVE to gel well with the entire set up.

The only point that separates politicians from Dabba-Walla is skin in the game. Dabbas never have any, politicians have it a little bit. Not too much but little bit. After all every 5 years they have to face the public in earnest.
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You are factually incorrect the Central government can "forcibly retire", which is basically fire any bureaucrat above 50 years of age or has more than 25 years of experience and is working under it. Modi has done this to hundreds of IAS, IRS and CSS and nobody has been reinstated yet.
The rule you are stating is this that no IAS, IPS etc can be fired on the basis of any criminal charges until they run out of legal recourse i.e. proven guilty in the Supreme Court.
Here is a reference link for you along with the relevant clauses in the CCS: After IRS, Modi govt wants to forcibly retire IAS, IPS officers, review tainted ones monthly
 
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Until recently there was talk about reducing the size of the IA in order to become this mythical lean and mean army. Given India's size and our geographical extent, our current size of roughly 1.3 million is scrawny. A lean indian army for our size should be double the current strength or at least 2.5 million. Understand resources are currently a serious constraint, while expansion and modernization will depend on our overall economic strength, in the interim we need to cut down out unprofitable PSU's, which can help divert resources towards IA expansion and modernization.....
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
I don't think you've fully understood what I wanted to convey. While I'm not disputing what you've written, the very fact that the Defense Secretary is vested with the responsibility for the defense of the nation should raise an eyebrow if not questions on his role . How exactly is an unelected bureaucrat tasked with such a responsibility? In a situation where in the odds are stacked up, how can one expect him to render impartial advice if it's his neck on the line, literally, if things go awry.

What this clearly means is that tomm if there's a debacle & if there's a parliamentary committee called to ascertain what's gone wrong & apportion blame, it's not the defense minister who can be charged under law but the defense secretary.
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Political head will pay political price and trust defence secretary to be clever enough that he will take every decision after approval from political head and being his boss political head has no other choice to approve or disapprove the proposal.

But do we have such Parliamentary probe? The closest one is JPC but that too has very limited powers with little to no judicial powers. Some probe commission can be setup with quasi judicial powers but their report too will mean very little. During external aggression unless there is clear sabotage mistakes will be given pass.
 
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RISING SUN said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1273564859704266756
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WHile the opposition has the right to be informed on critical national security matters, this kind of guerilla tactics being adopted by Rahul Gandhi is pointless. The govt has already called in for a all party meet on 19th, so they can remain patient until then. I wonder which idiot is giving politcal advise to Rahul Gandhi, he needs to be fired urgently.
 
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RajibJ said:
This statement is from Chinese official. But why they want to diffuse the situation? Why not People's Daily not publishing anything on LAC incident. Any thought.
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They are occupying our territory and killed our soldiers. What more 11th ping can expect in one salami slice
 
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S. A. T. A said:
Until recently there was talk about reducing the size of the IA in order to become this mythical lean and mean army. Given India's size and our geographical extent, our current size of roughly 1.3 million is scrawny. A lean indian army for our size should be double the current strength or at least 2.5 million. Understand resources are currently a serious constraint, while expansion and modernization will depend on our overall economic strength, in the interim we need to cut down out unprofitable PSU's, which can help divert resources towards IA expansion and modernization.....
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It's not just that the PSU's are unprofitable, the work which they do is subpar and shoddy and hence forces us to buy the same thing at a very costly price form abroad in case of emergency. At the very least government should end the monopoly of Defence PSU's and give the private sector a level playing field. Government can keep it's votebank for non Defence PSU's.
Now this government has done this to tame OFB.


it's a welcome step but this has the chance of getting rolled back if Congress comes in power, therefore something permanent is needed. At the very least they can privatise BEML and do more disinvestment in HAL(and pay it's dues too instead of bankrupting them).
 
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Not a grammar nazi but repeated usage of words without understanding their meaning over the past few days was grating my nerves.

Also for those arguing why did the GoI allow for IA troops on border patrol without carrying loaded weapons, pls acquaint yourselves with the various protocols India & China have signed since 1993.
 
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