Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

[screambowl]

Also, current MEA press conference -

"Peace, tranquility, ...... " and at the end,

"We will protect our territorial sovereignty"

Not answering taking hard & direct questions.

FM Jaishankar is busy giving extensions to officer deployed at respected Indian embassies even after completing their tenure because of nepotism so that they can get more foreign allowance. Had MEA succeeded in negotiations and diplomacy Indian soldiers would have not died.

MEA needs to be brought under Shah or Piyush Goyal. Jaishankar and his ministry has failed India. These people have no idea about security apparatus of India they are just bookish knowledge people. More over Jaishankar is not a leader! He doesn't know what to talk.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

We can force HaL to do 3 shifts and make more tejas in short time,
Not posst with Russia without more money.

Maybe for political support

20 extra Tejas won't make a big difference. EAC having it's own Refueling squadron, AWACS squadron will.

And no political support will come from Russia. If they just not delay the delivery of previously ordered items. That would be great.

 

[Aurora]

If Buerocrates deny our military it's just demand of retribution then our military should topple them. I have no doubt that whole country will support our military. Our soldiers are not for getting killed and mutilated.

 

[Vicky]

Sure, we have other options to raise money. I'm talking about free money, like the kind Pakistan received from the US during the WoT.

With Trump there is no free money.

 

[vikata]

Looks like it's a kargil again for us,when we were in defensive position vis a vis Chinese in mountain they required an overwhelming ratio of 9:1 to dislodge us.
Now they are sitting at the heights and we have to dislodge them .

So basically looks like they have played their card really well.without high amount of bloodshed we are not going to get our territory back.unlike paksitani NLI which was disowned by Pakistani military which allowed us to use artillery without fearing of retaliation from pak military,here Chinese encroachment have full support of pla

 

[screambowl]

Looks like it's a kargil again for us,when we were in defensive position vis a vis Chinese in mountain they required an overwhelming ratio of 9:1 to dislodge us.
Now they are sitting at the heights and we have to dislodge them .

So basically looks like they have played their card really well.without high amount of bloodshed we are not going to get our territory back.unlike paksitani NLI which was disowned by Pakistani military which allowed us to use artillery without fearing of retaliation from pak military,here Chinese encroachment have full support of pla

Its a repeat of kargil and 1962. In both the IA fought well but people responsible for warning GOI have failed like always.
I question the recruitment process!!!

 

[Defc0n]

Looks like it's a kargil again for us,when we were in defensive position vis a vis Chinese in mountain they required an overwhelming ratio of 9:1 to dislodge us.
Now they are sitting at the heights and we have to dislodge them .

So basically looks like they have played their card really well.without high amount of bloodshed we are not going to get our territory back.unlike paksitani NLI which was disowned by Pakistani military which allowed us to use artillery without fearing of retaliation from pak military,here Chinese encroachment have full support of pla

Also, when do we decide that we are going to force our way into making China give us back the land.
Tomorrow's APM is of extreme importance. I am hoping that our PM can take every one into confidence & decide to go on a collision course with China.
On the other hand, if we remain stuck in petty internal politics over issues of national security, we might as well give entire Ladakh to China & save ourselves the pain.
Going forward, excuses like RoE & shit are not going to cut it. It's twice now, when PAF came in, in broad day light, our SU-30s failed to engage them thanks to RoE, now CO killed & army didn't use guns coz of RoE.
Keeping my fingers crossed for tomorrow. Hoping GoI to go on the offensive against China & take back what is rightfully ours.

 

[Volcano]

If Buerocrates deny our military it's just demand of retribution then our military should topple them. I have no doubt that whole country will support our military. Our soldiers are not for getting killed and mutilated.

Don't go full bhakat. How about Military toppling Modiji? He is the prime minister and he have the power to order attack, not buerocrates.

New Scape goats, I see. Buerocrates were not enough to stop Indira Gandhi from taking tough military action. Unless the leader have guts, vision and will, military can do nothing. I can imaging how loud the bhakats will be yelling now if pappu was the prime minister

 

[Sulla84]

Looks like it's a kargil again for us,when we were in defensive position vis a vis Chinese in mountain they required an overwhelming ratio of 9:1 to dislodge us.
Now they are sitting at the heights and we have to dislodge them .

So basically looks like they have played their card really well.without high amount of bloodshed we are not going to get our territory back.unlike paksitani NLI which was disowned by Pakistani military which allowed us to use artillery without fearing of retaliation from pak military,here Chinese encroachment have full support of pla

Pakistan used artillery on us too. .as you can use artillery for fun any time on the loc

 

[Aurora]

Don't go full bhakat. How about Military toppling Modiji? He is the prime minister and he have the power to order attack, not buerocrates.

New Scape goats, I see. Buerocrates were not enough to stop Indira Gandhi from taking tough military action. Unless the leader have guts, vision and will, military can do nothing. I can imaging how loud the bhakats will be yelling now if pappu was the prime minister

I am not a Bhakt of Modiji. And he has shown in the past that he has guts to take risk not only in military domain but in other matters too.
As far as toppling him is concerned I am not in favour of it because a military rule will not be beneficial for us.
I am only asking the military to threaten the Buerocrates, I am sure these cowards will tuck their tails b/w their legs and stop their protests.

 

[Defc0n]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1273625090115190790

Global Times running out of ideas..

 

[Arbit]

It depends on whether they think the end result is worth escalating.

I disagree with you here. Face of loss is death to the Chinese. Anyway time will tell.

That's only in case of a war. We can have a short skirmish even without bringing in the air force or navy.

Bringing in our airforce and navy into the equation is where the scale tilts to our favour. They don't want to involve navy or airforce, we can and will force them to, if we can inject this scenario into their calculations, then situation can turn our way. A short war may not OR may favour them. A full fledged war will expose them.

We can force HaL to do 3 shifts and make more tejas in short time,
Not posst with Russia without more money.

HAL : Challenge accepted.

You can make a donkey run a horse race, but I dare you to extract productivity out of HAL guys.

There were two guys in my batch, one we used to call 'tidda' and other 'supada'. Both were in college due to luck and both were hopeless. HAL now employs both of em.

In his spare time, 'tidda' - grasshopper posts pics with sukhois on fb with a stupid grin and this alone makes my spirits drop. These days he is also an expert on the no. of covid testing required in our country, which he duly express with a single statement.

The other 'supada' has made trips to Russia. Having known him for quite some time, I am sure he is now a mole in HAL. Russian chicks got him.

 

[suryakiran]

However, what cannot be justified is the lingering fear within the Indian establishment that the Chinese were always playing for time & that once they were confident of their abilities plus our lack of it for whatever reason, they would go in for the kill & our gameplan to counter it if there was any beyond the tactical.This was also expected to happen in the 2020's given that we're moving in to close that capability gap.

I personally don't think this administration derived the right lessons from Doklam or from the overview posted immediately above. That's been a huge miscalculation & blunder on their part.

The aftermath of Doklam should have been a watershed in our relations with China. Post this, we should have made it abundantly clear any construction on our perceived LAC will be met with force. Unfortunately, the entire philosophy of we will not attack first seems to be burnt into the heads of our decision makers. If your borders are violated, attack. Levy the cost.

When we attacked Balakot, the Pakistanis retaliated. Whether they were successful or not is a different matter. They responded. Here, we are still talking like the Salt Satyagraha is about to begin. The Chinese playbook is well known. Why are we falling again and again and again to the same game-plan. This is why I say. This GoI is the same as other governments. No difference.

The earlier governments made noise and did nothing. This government, makes noise and did nothing. And in typical baniya manner, we will cancel contracts, which will be re-tendered and then allocated 2 years down the line when things get better to the Chinese..


Bus just keep doing this

Ninda. Kadi Ninda. Khator Ninda. Ninda Mama.

 

[vvabhiram]

Looks like it's a kargil again for us,when we were in defensive position vis a vis Chinese in mountain they required an overwhelming ratio of 9:1 to dislodge us.
Now they are sitting at the heights and we have to dislodge them .

So basically looks like they have played their card really well.without high amount of bloodshed we are not going to get our territory back.unlike paksitani NLI which was disowned by Pakistani military which allowed us to use artillery without fearing of retaliation from pak military,here Chinese encroachment have full support of pla

After how many days of the killing of Saurabh Kalia and party, we started attacking Pakistan troops in Kargil? What is the timeline followed then? If it is a repetition of Kargil, Can we expect the same course of action now?

 

[Sathya]

I disagree with you here. Face of loss is death to the Chinese. Anyway time will tell.




Bringing in our airforce and navy into the equation is where the scale tilts to our favour. They don't want to involve navy or airforce, we can and will force them to, if we can inject this scenario into their calculations, then situation can turn our way. A short war may not OR may favour them. A full fledged war will expose them.






HAL : Challenge accepted.

You can make a donkey run a horse race, but I dare you to extract productivity out of HAL guys.

There were two guys in my batch, one we used to call 'tidda' and other 'supada'. Both were in college due to luck and both were hopeless. HAL now employs both of em.

In his spare time, 'tidda' - grasshopper posts pics with sukhois on fb with a stupid grin and this alone makes my spirits drop. These days he is also an expert on the no. of covid testing required in our country, which he duly express with a single statement.

The other 'supada' has made trips to Russia. Having known him for quite some time, I am sure he is now a mole in HAL. Russian chicks got him.

Unless we subject them to emergency stress, we cannot draw out their capabilities in open.

Chance for Changes too..

 

[noksss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1273495246756708353

Anything less than countless PLA heads should not be considered as reply to Chinese

 

[Defc0n]

The aftermath of Doklam should have been a watershed in our relations with China. Post this, we should have made it abundantly clear any construction on our perceived LAC will be met with force. Unfortunately, the entire philosophy of we will not attack first seems to be burnt into the heads of our decision makers. If your borders are violated, attack. Levy the cost.

When we attacked Balakot, the Pakistanis retaliated. Whether they were successful or not is a different matter. They responded. Here, we are still talking like the Salt Satyagraha is about to begin. The Chinese playbook is well known. Why are we falling again and again and again to the same game-plan. This is why I say. This GoI is the same as other governments. No difference.

The earlier governments made noise and did nothing. This government, makes noise and did nothing. And in typical baniya manner, we will cancel contracts, which will be re-tendered and then allocated 2 years down the line when things get better to the Chinese..


Bus just keep doing this

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Ninda. Kadi Ninda. Khator Ninda. Ninda Mama.

Fully agree! Had GoI decided to smash the Chinese buildup when they didn't have enough people, machines near the Lac, it would have given the required warning to China. Ultimately, the fact remains, GoI is scared of Chinese retaliation. GoI is fearful of going into a war.
It lacks the guts. No wonder it is taken for granted by China & its lap dog. GoI is very, very, very predictable. Some one can actually lay out a full plan & predict each of GoI's moves before hand. On the other hand, we shake from fear, what will happen if we attack first, world will say we are the aggressor (no one cares that a foreign power is building up with an intention to attack), what will happen if China retaliates (result, we lost 20 fine soldiers & a CO).

Political will & guts are lacking in our government, not just this, all governments.

Having said all that, hoping against hope for a strong decision tomorrow.

 

[janme]

I hope we overtly go into the American camp , enough of this strategic autonomy bullshit. Even the Russians are staying out.
Americans wont intefere unless we guarantee them support in their issues. Fair enough.
This monkey balancing act whips us from all sides. Pakistan has a better and a trustable ally in China , we have whom? No one.
I would love to have one true friend rather many "could" be friends

Modi tried to do that as soon as he got in power, USA's message to Modi is just buy our very expensive weapons with zero TOT and we are not going to fullfill your offset obligations either.

And this is from today :-

Trump Surprises G20 With Huawei Concession: U.S. Companies Can Sell To Huawei

While Huawei is not off the blacklist, the announcement by the U.S. President is highly significant.

www.forbes.com

Trump pleaded with China to help in his re-election, dumped allies, says former NSA John Bolton - Times of India

US News: US Prez Donald Trump pleaded with Chinese leader Xi Jinping to help him win re-election and sold allies down the drain so as to not displease Beijing,

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[Defc0n]

I hope we overtly go into the American camp , enough of this strategic autonomy bullshit. Even the Russians are staying out.
Americans wont intefere unless we guarantee them support in their issues. Fair enough.
This monkey balancing act whips us from all sides. Pakistan has a better and a trustable ally in China , we have whom? No one.
I would love to have one true friend rather many "could" be friends

Can you elaborate on where & how does US need Indian support & specifically for what issues?

 

[shaxm]

In the view of current discussion I want to ask who is directing the OSINTs create this kind hype??

https://twitter.com/x/status/1273604023061557248

Let him do it. The boys are new to media warfare.