Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

_Anonymous_ said:
When the GoI is bound by an Act of Parliament stating that India is obliged to retake Aksai Chin, why does this PM or any PM have to reiterate it ? Besides when there's a Flashpoint as we've seen on 15th June, is the PM expected to douse the fire or further feed the flames?
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PM's duty is to follow the act and drive away the intruder as per your act.

This is your so called act.
"With hope and faith, this House affirms the firm resolve of the Indian people to drive out the aggressor from the sacred soil of India, however long and hard the struggle may be"
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Neither there is any struggle nor will. You have crated two versions of LAC rather LOL!! Now China tells you that forget Aksa Chin concentrate on LAC which one is correct! 🤣 Indian are not getting this. Open up your IQ!!
And Indians happily talk to the Chinese and do debates on LAC which runs within the lost Aksai Chin.
 
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Defc0n said:
Not sure about authenticity, but in case of high fatalities, Chinese people will quickly turn against their own government. Not that it matters since they will be killed to by the Chinese government as well.

But internal stability is essential when a country is planning on expansion of its territory.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1274953657939660801

https://twitter.com/x/status/1274916659052994560

Global Times (China Times) strike again.
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I don't think we need any further proof on what bihar regiment did to the Chinese , when they themselves are saying "China also wants to avoid a escalation".
 
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screambowl said:
PM's duty is to follow the act and drive away the intruder as per your act.

This is your so called act.
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What do you mean by my so called act? Aren't you a citizen of this nation?

screambowl said:
Neither there is any struggle nor will. You have crated two versions of LAC rather LOL!! Now China tells you that forget Aksa Chin concentrate on LAC which one is correct! 🤣
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There's no LAC for unlike the LoC, it's not been demarcated on the ground. What we have on the ground on the so called LAC are our posts, our perceived territory & our patrolling limits . Ditto for the Chinese. Since there's no LAC, both sides are either expected to maintain the status quo or seize more territory as China is obviously attempting to do.


There's only the official map of India in which Aksai Chin is depicted as part of India which is under the administration of the PRC atm & which not only this GoI but it's predecessors & successors were / are obliged to retake just as they were / are obliged to retake PoK.

So, please explain what's your definition of two versions of the LAC when there's no unanimity on the one that exists.

Why don't you read up a li'l instead of faffing out here & embarrassing us with your ignorance since you've clearly transcended that thick line between respectablity & ludicrousness long ago, without any trace of embarrassment or consciousness of it whatsoever? In rare cases, it's the sign of a realised soul. Then there's the likes of you & others of your ilk.
 
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Defc0n said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1275039971678629888

This is a welcome move from GoI.

Also, I was watching India Today & as per the analysis, it is possible that Chinese mainly targeted the Pangong area & upto finger 4.
Galwan might have been a diversion.
The analysis also notes - since China has a road which is not visible and hence cannot be observed from F1 - F3, but can be observed from F4 onwards.
Hence they want to deny access to F4 onwards to India.
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Have we lost the control of Finger 4?, if that is true then we are at a major disadvantage. Even Nathan Ruser was saying that Chinese have made pillboxes on top of Finger 4 which I didn't believe at the the time, Can someone clarify it?. I think government should come clean on this because this is a major loss.
I also think that China accepting the death of there CO is very shady, since they might be preparing there audience for a short term conflict by painting us as the agressor.
 
janme said:
Have we lost the control of Finger 4?, if that is true then we are at a major disadvantage. Even Nathan Ruser was saying that Chinese have made pillboxes on top of Finger 4 which I didn't believe at the the time, Can someone clarify it?. I think government should come clean on this because this is a major loss.
I also think that China accepting the death of there CO is very shady, since they might be preparing there audience for a short term conflict by painting us as the agressor.
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As per media reports, PLA has put boots and structures upto F4 and are preventing IA from patrolling till F8, like we used to before April......I guess this is what the the respective Corp commanders are trying to address and resolve.
 
From another source from a month ago :-

"Sources told ThePrint the fresh Chinese construction activity has been happening around Finger 4, a disputed territory. Blacktopping is the final stage of building a motorable road."

"ThePrint first reported on 10 May that additional troops were pressed in to the area even though the Army said formal “disengagement” happened. "

"Even though the area is disputed, Indian patrols used to move up to Finger 5, but if the Chinese don’t move, patrolling teams won’t be able to go much beyond Finger 3."

theprint.in

Chinese troops blacktopping track in disputed ‘finger’ area in Ladakh amid border tensions

The fresh Chinese construction activity is happening around Finger 4 in Pangong lake area. China also blocked the route of Indian patrol teams in the disputed region.
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I thing the Modi government is hyping up the Chinese casualties throughout the media to suppress the reality of what is happening, I think that it is going to blow up on there faces very fast.
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janme said:
From another source from a month ago :-

"Sources told ThePrint the fresh Chinese construction activity has been happening around Finger 4, a disputed territory. Blacktopping is the final stage of building a motorable road."

"ThePrint first reported on 10 May that additional troops were pressed in to the area even though the Army said formal “disengagement” happened. "

"Even though the area is disputed, Indian patrols used to move up to Finger 5, but if the Chinese don’t move, patrolling teams won’t be able to go much beyond Finger 3."

theprint.in

Chinese troops blacktopping track in disputed ‘finger’ area in Ladakh amid border tensions

The fresh Chinese construction activity is happening around Finger 4 in Pangong lake area. China also blocked the route of Indian patrol teams in the disputed region.
theprint.in theprint.in

I thing the Modi government is hyping up the Chinese casualties throughout the media to suppress the reality of what is happening, I think that it is going to blow up on there faces very fast.
@S. A. T. A.
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Like Ajay Shukla says in his NYT article, Chinese tactic is ingress into 3 areas and withdraw from 2 location, allowing us to gloat about victory. This has been the case since 3 decades. PM's ambiguity filled speech was clearly half-hearted attempt to spin the seriousness of the crisis. Modi govt must insist very strongly with the Chinese that Indian troops should be able to patrol till F8 and no permanent structures come between F4 and F8. This should be our Lakshman rekha.
 
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screambowl said:
PM's duty is to follow the act and drive away the intruder as per your act.

This is your so called act.


Neither there is any struggle nor will. You have crated two versions of LAC rather LOL!! Now China tells you that forget Aksa Chin concentrate on LAC which one is correct! 🤣 Indian are not getting this. Open up your IQ!!
And Indians happily talk to the Chinese and do debates on LAC which runs within the lost Aksai Chin.
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There is differemce between LAC-Line of Actual Control and the Claim line. Our Claim line is as per our map. LAC is actual ground position on any particular date as no date hase been assigned to LAC. So it is a fluid line which can change any day. LOC is clearly demarcated as per 1972 Shimla Agreement but no such exercise was done for LAC ever.
 
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janme said:
From another source from a month ago :-

"Sources told ThePrint the fresh Chinese construction activity has been happening around Finger 4, a disputed territory. Blacktopping is the final stage of building a motorable road."

"ThePrint first reported on 10 May that additional troops were pressed in to the area even though the Army said formal “disengagement” happened. "

"Even though the area is disputed, Indian patrols used to move up to Finger 5, but if the Chinese don’t move, patrolling teams won’t be able to go much beyond Finger 3."

theprint.in

Chinese troops blacktopping track in disputed ‘finger’ area in Ladakh amid border tensions

The fresh Chinese construction activity is happening around Finger 4 in Pangong lake area. China also blocked the route of Indian patrol teams in the disputed region.
theprint.in theprint.in

I thing the Modi government is hyping up the Chinese casualties throughout the media to suppress the reality of what is happening, I think that it is going to blow up on there faces very fast.
@S. A. T. A.
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They did lose people. Numbers are debatable though.

China is looking to push hard. Its true objective remains to be seen. If I was to hazard a guess I'd say Chinese are trying to dominate the area so that an Indian move on the Karakoram pass becomes tougher.
 
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This is from today from another source, it seems that it is true that we has lost control of finger 4.


"This could mean launching special operations to push the Chinese back particularly at Pangong Lake, where the Chinese army is camping at Finger 4 that was under Indian control."

"The prolonged camping and a heavy presence of the Chinese troops in Pangong Lake in Ladakh at a point that has been under Indian control has emerged to be the biggest roadblock for a possible resolution to the ongoing tussle between India and China at the LAC. "

"There is even an Indian post near Finger 4. "

www.indiatoday.in

1,000 troops stand guard, India explores all options: LAC very tense after fierce Galwan clash

With over 1,000 troops from the two sides on the LAC at Galwan clash point, India explores military options as Pangong Lake heats up.
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The real question is that who is responsible for such a monumental failure?. Modi must take tough decisions now , Now is the real time to end the monopoly of OFB and other PSU's, if not now then when?. This is the least he could do for now.
 
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janme said:
This is from today from another source, it seems that it is true that we has lost control of finger 4.


"This could mean launching special operations to push the Chinese back particularly at Pangong Lake, where the Chinese army is camping at Finger 4 that was under Indian control."

"The prolonged camping and a heavy presence of the Chinese troops in Pangong Lake in Ladakh at a point that has been under Indian control has emerged to be the biggest roadblock for a possible resolution to the ongoing tussle between India and China at the LAC. "

"There is even an Indian post near Finger 4. "

www.indiatoday.in

1,000 troops stand guard, India explores all options: LAC very tense after fierce Galwan clash

With over 1,000 troops from the two sides on the LAC at Galwan clash point, India explores military options as Pangong Lake heats up.
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in

The real question is that who is responsible for such a monumental failure?. Modi must take tough decisions now , Now is the real time to end the monopoly of OFB and other PSU's, if not now then when?. This is the least he could do for now.
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According to Rahul kanwal infographic on his show, the Indian post is near to F3. Between F4 and F8 both sides didn't have any strictures, although there was a road laid by the Chinese, but we used to use it to go upto to F8.
 
janme said:
Have we lost the control of Finger 4?, if that is true then we are at a major disadvantage. Even Nathan Ruser was saying that Chinese have made pillboxes on top of Finger 4 which I didn't believe at the the time, Can someone clarify it?. I think government should come clean on this because this is a major loss.
I also think that China accepting the death of there CO is very shady, since they might be preparing there audience for a short term conflict by painting us as the agressor.
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My understanding is that we have a post between Finger 3 & 4 while China had built highway till just before Finger 4 in 1996 approximately. Since then Indians used to patrol upto Finger 7 (claims), while Chinese used to patrol upto a place between Finger 4 & 5. Many a times Indians used to reach in deeper areas using waterway. This year Chinese have built the structures in not only point 5,6 & 7 but also on point 4 and all along the Indian LAC on the hills in adjoining northern areas. The effect of this change will be that India will not have direct line of sight till international border from Point side at least which might restrict the maneuverability, hence change in status quo. Another factor (my assumption) is that we never established a structure on point 4, hence control is suspectible here. Controlling and patrolling are different on Chinese border for laymen's.

Another point, Chinese PRC need not worry about their people as they don't have the access to free flow of information (publicly available information), Chinese people only know when CPC wants them to know. Similar as Doklam. As fast they spread enmity feeling in their masses, they spread positive feelings in their subjects in same way. This defies logic from an Indian perspective in a way that Indian administration can spread the enmity faster, but spreading positive feelers is much more difficult for them as Indian people have free will & freedom of expression (with reasonable restrictions). Thank you.
 
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"India has had permanent positions within the disputed area (between fingers 3 and 4) for at least 10 years and expanded its presence in the disputed area in 2015–16. China kept its permanently stationed forces outside of the disputed territory until May. "

"In the past month, Chinese forces have become an overwhelming majority in the disputed areas. Significant positions have been constructed between fingers 4 and 5, including around 500 structures, fortified trenches and a new boatshed over 20 kilometres further forward than previously. More structures appear to be under construction.

The scale and provocative nature of these new Chinese outposts is hard to overstate: 53 different forward positions have been built, including 19 that sit exactly on the ridgeline separating Indian and Chinese patrols."

www.aspistrategist.org.au

Satellite images show positions surrounding deadly China–India clash | The Strategist

The recent deaths of at least 20 soldiers along the contested border at Ladakh between India and China represents the largest loss of life from a skirmish between the two countries since the clashes in ...
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Will it be wrong say that IA was the aggressor here and tried to change the status quo even though our infrastructure was less than satisfactory and Chinese were able to overwhelm us since they have better infra,it seems to me Chinese planned this properly and waited for 4 years in response to IA actions and executed it too and unwilling to budge now, isn't this a major blunder on part of Indian army?
 
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