Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

Abhinandan's Capture followed up by US's intervention did.
Abhinandan's capture was an event which happened way late in the chain. Most of the stuff that I mentioned happened way before.
What makes you think that IA will prevent it from being implemented in case of eventuality?
Because it hasn't till date? OR more precisely, it has been forced not to implement. Remember, we did sign a treaty with China in 1993 legitimizing LAC. Before it, it was never accepted. Funny thing : we didn't even demarkate what LAC is.

Actually, it cuts both sides if used properly but thats not what is happening. LAC is moving closer and beyond Chinese claims.
 
Abhinandan's capture was an event which happened way late in the chain. Most of the stuff that I mentioned happened way before.

I disagree. Indian OP was against a 'non-military' target. OP . SwiftRetort was an attempt to hit one of our military base.
That alone should have been enough as they had the intent to hit our army base. I cannot simply imagine why we didn't push through despite this.
And US intervention was the only thing that stopped it.
 
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I disagree. Indian OP was against a 'non-military' target. OP . SwiftRetort was an attempt to hit one of our military base.
That alone should have been enough as they had the intent to hit our army base. I cannot simply imagine why we didn't push through despite this.
And US intervention was the only thing that stopped it.
Here is the bummer: Islamabad is within the artillery / unguided Rockets range from Indian LoC. Why do you think Pakistan is still able to dare operate inside Indian territory?

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Here is the bummer: Islamabad is within the artillery / unguided Rockets range from Indian border. Why do you think Pakistan is still able to dare operate inside Indian territory.

What exactly will you achieve by using unguided artillery on Islamabad?

Because it hasn't till date? OR more precisely, it has been forced not to implement. Remember, we did sign a treaty with China in 1993 legitimizing LAC. Before it, it was never accepted. Funny thing : we didn't even demarkate what LAC is.
Actually, it cuts both sides if used properly but thats not what is happening. LAC is moving closer and beyond Chinese claims.

We cannot have this discussion without any proper definition of how much China crossed in this time vis-a-vis where they were as on February 2020.
LAC passes through finger-4. So where are the Chinese now?
 
What exactly will you achieve by using unguided artillery on Islamabad?
Fear. You do terrorist attack and we drop rockets on your capital.

Has it happened? nope!
Plus Islamabad is one of the new cities in Pakistan. Why do you think they built it so near the border?
 
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We cannot have this discussion without any proper definition of how much China crossed in this time vis-a-vis where they were as on February 2020.
LAC passes through finger-4. So where are the Chinese now?
Umm... here is the trouble. If you accept Indian government's position, LAC is not defined. It is accepted but not defined. So entire point about where Chinese are is actually immaterial. Why? Because we didn't even claim where the LAC is. But for some reason we agreed to the concept of LAC.
 
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Fear. You do terrorist attack and we drop rockets on your capital.

Has it happened? nope!
Plus Islamabad is one of the new cities in Pakistan. Why do you think they built it so near the border?

One thing - this discussion is going way off topic & MODs will have a field day deleting some these posts :D

Also, I don't think it is a viable option to drop rockets in Civilian areas unless it is war. We are not Hamas.

Umm... here is the trouble. If you accept Indian government's position, LAC is not defined. It is accepted but not defined. So entire point about where Chinese are is actually immaterial. Why? Because we didn't even claim where the LAC is. But for some reason we agreed to the concept of LAC.

This has not been done now. So If where we stand is ours and China claims whole of Galwan, either it will be a stalemate or they have to fight to get it.
 
Also, I don't think it is a viable option to drop rockets in Civilian areas unless it is war. We are not Hamas.
Actually thats the crux of the matter. Proportionate response. Predictable response.
Who says we are not in war with Pakistan? What does firing cannons and ATGM looks like? Peace? If it does then I guess our definition of Peace and War are not same as what rest of the world believes in. You define words based on reality not reality based on words.

PS : This is what peace looks like (it is US Canada border. Aptly called "Peace arch").
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What does this look like :

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I call the above war.
 
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Does not quite work like that. Blast pens, repair infra etc take way longer to build than say some shed to house coronavirus patients.

Problem is not S-400. Problem is Brahmos or Oniks P-800 is a hard target to kill. S-400 is really good against say taking out slow moving force multipliers like tankers and AWACS from a great distance. Especially of our western enemy. Or denying them to operate near border.
S-400 is really good against slow moving cruise missiles or ALCMs.

Brahmos is also not a cheap missile as compared to say Tomahawk. It was meant to take out ships and high value targets.
Just saying, that 7-day hospital crumbled and was sorta useless in a little while.
 
Actually thats the crux of the matter. Proportionate response. Predictable response.
Who says we are not in war with Pakistan? What does firing cannons and ATGM looks like? Peace? If it does then I guess our definition of Peace and War are not same as what rest of the world believes in. You define words based on reality not reality based on words.

It is not peace, but a theatre (local) fight. A war is much broader. In case of war, you will not see only cannons and atgms in use. Our IAF & IN will participate. So will Pakistan's.
 
It is not peace, but a theatre (local) fight. A war is much broader. In case of war, you will not see only cannons and atgms in use. Our IAF & IN will participate. So will Pakistan's.
Thats fun. What do you think will be definition of "peace" if adversary were capable of getting away with dropping bombs or sinking ship? That would be new peace for us.

Remember me harping and belaboring about "setting the tempo of war". This is exactly what it is. Our adversary is setting the tempo of war with us. They are doing it for so long that we have decided to call ATGMs and Cannons are "normal" or "not-war" along our borders.

Remember, our adversory was 6-7 times smaller than us.

Now what will happen if the same adversory were 5-6 times bigger? I guess, what is happening now is the logical conclusion of that.
Just saying, that 7-day hospital crumbled and was sorta useless in a little while.
Oh well, easy come easy go.
 
Thats fun. What do you think will be definition of "peace" if adversary were capable of getting away with dropping bombs or sinking ship? That would be new peace for us.

Remember me harping and belaboring about "setting the tempo of war". This is exactly what it is. Our adversary is setting the tempo of war with us. They are doing it for so long that we have decided to call ATGMs and Cannons are "normal" or "not-war" along our borders.

Remember, our adversory was 6-7 times smaller than us.

Now what will happen if the same adversory were 5-6 times bigger? I guess, what is happening now is the logical conclusion of that.


So according to you, what will you do to set the tempo?
Say, you had to take the call - how will you plan things out to set the tempo?

An update -

Hearing in India Today - Third round of talks might happen in Chushul either tomorrow or day after tomorrow.

 
World milking India :p
This was suppose to happen. That's why there is an escalation ;)
West is West! Brainy powerful and cool!

What a crap post. When some friendly country is giving high tech equipment, you are saying that they are milking us. Had they not provided meteor than India would have been saved from milking?
 
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Sounds less and less like negotiations and more like doomed marriage counseling. There's nothing new to say, what the hell are the talking about even?!

Disengagement -> deescalation -> de-induction -> ( ? )
Until and unless de-induction happens, nothing else really matters.
Also, I feel India is trying to hold them in until it starts to snow. They have to leave then. Question is, if IA will do a similar op on them when the snow starts to melt.
 
What a crap post. When some friendly country is giving high tech equipment, you are saying that they are milking us. Had they not provided meteor than India would have been saved from milking?
If true, I wont call it milking but helping at the right time.
Did manmohan singg forgot it there or rajnath? You are NOT getting it for free. :)
Indian armed forces are addicted to foreign maal. Because at home we nly produce baba khayini and 502 beedi.