Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates


This is something interesting ... PLA local commander withdrew his forces and not put up a fight even when ordered so by top leadership.

Source : https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...na-provoked-india-in-latest-clash-us-believes
 
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BMD said:
us.yahoo.com

Indian special forces member killed in China border showdown

A Tibetan-origin soldier with India's special forces was killed in the latest border showdown with Chinese troops on their contested Himalayan border, a Tibetan representative said Tuesday.
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From what I understand there has been casualties on both sides. We had 1-2 & Chinese had more. There was 25-30 Chinese POWs too, which have been returned. GoI hasn't claimed any of that, presumably to give a China a chance to de-escalate. But de-escalating would mean the peaks that were captured would remain with the Indians. A fait-accompli so to speak. It would also mean whatever gains the Chinese have made earlier this year would be essentially nullified as the peaks overlooks all of that and more. Operators on these peaks can open fire directly with ATGMs, Snipers, MANPADS etc. They can also direct artillery shells right on target with laser marking. All this combined with Apaches flying around with Hellfires soon to be joined by LCH. Not looking good for those Chinese light tanks. That's why the Chinese are pissed, months of their work un-done in one night. Not to mention loss of face.

Curiously the Chinese govt. spokesperson also claimed India had no casualty. Revealing casualty put pressure on GoI for further action, so maybe the Chinese want to give room to de-escalate. Or maybe we used the POWs as bargaining chip. I betting on the later.

The Tibetan origin member who died is probably a member of the SFF working under Indian intel agency R&AW. He was definitely a part of that mission that night. Of course in India censorship is meaningless. We are no China & we do have a free media. Thus news of his death will get out, only a matter of time. Part of me thinks its good, we should know our heroes.
 
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Gautam said:
From what I understand there has been casualties on both sides. We had 1-2 & Chinese had more. There was 25-30 Chinese POWs too, which have been returned. GoI hasn't claimed any of that, presumably to give a China a chance to de-escalate. But de-escalating would mean the peaks that were captured would remain with the Indians. A fait-accompli so to speak. It would also mean whatever gains the Chinese have made earlier this year would be essentially nullified as the peaks overlooks all of that and more. Operators on these peaks can open fire directly with ATGMs, Snipers, MANPADS etc. They can also direct artillery shells right on target with laser marking. All this combined with Apaches flying around with Hellfires soon to be joined by LCH. Not looking good for those Chinese light tanks. That's why the Chinese are pissed, months of their work un-done in one night. Not to mention loss of face.

Curiously the Chinese govt. spokesperson also claimed India had no casualty. Revealing casualty put pressure on GoI for further action, so maybe the Chinese want to give room to de-escalate. Or maybe we used the POWs as bargaining chip. I betting on the later.

The Tibetan origin member who died is probably a member of the SFF working under Indian intel agency R&AW. He was definitely a part of that mission that night. Of course in India censorship is meaningless. We are no China & we do have a free media. Thus news of his death will get out, only a matter of time. Part of me thinks its good, we should know our heroes.
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Official statement is, he got trapped on a 62' land mine while patrolling the area. Given how our army operates, I would take the official word as correct.

Secondly, providing head room for China to de-escalate is not what this looks like to me.
I interpret the current situation as India forcing China's hand, so as to be in a favourable position before the snow sets in. If we had prisoners, we would have declared it, just to rub it in, thereby forcing China to take action in order to save it's face. That is the agenda.

On China saying that we didn't have any casualties goes with our official version, since the death of the SFF personnel was not in combat but an accident.

Currently, China has beeb caught with it's pants down as neither it wants to fight not it wants to lose face.

India doesn't look like it is allowing China any breather this time.

Gautam said:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1301090583335899139
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This might just be China's game. Oli is mostl likely doing this at China's behest.
Trying to divide Indian forces thin.
We might soon see our western neighbours getting in to action.

However, that would mean, that Xi Jin Ping is left with no choice to save it's face.
 
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Gautam said:
From what I understand there has been casualties on both sides. We had 1-2 & Chinese had more. There was 25-30 Chinese POWs too, which have been returned. GoI hasn't claimed any of that, presumably to give a China a chance to de-escalate. But de-escalating would mean the peaks that were captured would remain with the Indians. A fait-accompli so to speak. It would also mean whatever gains the Chinese have made earlier this year would be essentially nullified as the peaks overlooks all of that and more. Operators on these peaks can open fire directly with ATGMs, Snipers, MANPADS etc. They can also direct artillery shells right on target with laser marking. All this combined with Apaches flying around with Hellfires soon to be joined by LCH. Not looking good for those Chinese light tanks. That's why the Chinese are pissed, months of their work un-done in one night. Not to mention loss of face.

Curiously the Chinese govt. spokesperson also claimed India had no casualty. Revealing casualty put pressure on GoI for further action, so maybe the Chinese want to give room to de-escalate. Or maybe we used the POWs as bargaining chip. I betting on the later.

The Tibetan origin member who died is probably a member of the SFF working under Indian intel agency R&AW. He was definitely a part of that mission that night. Of course in India censorship is meaningless. We are no China & we do have a free media. Thus news of his death will get out, only a matter of time. Part of me thinks its good, we should know our heroes.
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I can say with authority that we had captured a full platoon of PLA troops while taking over that post with cameras etc. There were chinese casualties also in that clash. Those PLA POWs were handed over after two days on 31st. India is still looking for a negotiated settlement while the mood in IA is that for us the LAC is our IB as per our map and they do not want to give up any area taken back from PLA. They want China to accept the new ground position as final or attack us to dislodge us from our positions. For once, there is clear division between what IA wants and what is being suggested by GOI.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
I can say with authority that we had captured a full platoon of PLA troops while taking over that post with cameras etc. There were chinese casualties also in that clash. Those PLA POWs were handed over after two days on 31st. India is still looking for a negotiated settlement while the mood in IA is that for us the LAC is our IB as per our map and they do not want to give up any area taken back from PLA. They want China to accept the new ground position as final or attack us to dislodge us from our positions. For once, there is clear division between what IA wants and what is being suggested by GOI.
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So you are suggesting that there is a difference of opinion on what IA wants to do & what our political leadership wants to do?
If that be the case, isn't that the perfect recipe for disaster?
Also, wouldn't the army need authorisation from GoI before mounting any offensive OP similar to the one which we did to take control of the high positions?
 
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So you are suggesting that there is a difference of opinion on what IA wants to do & what our political leadership wants to do?
If that be the case, isn't that the perfect recipe for disaster?
Also, wouldn't the army need authorisation from GoI before mounting any offensive OP similar to the one which we did to take control of the high positions?
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IA was given go ahead by GOI and they planned a brillient move which can be seen by all. But should we surrender the advantage on the negotiations table just the way we did in 1971?
 
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IA was given go ahead by GOI and they planned a brillient move which can be seen by all. But should we surrender the advantage on the negotiations table just the way we did in 1971?
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That is precisely my point. If GoI is thinking of squandering this opportunity & IA is not ok with it, where do we go from here?
IA cannot overrule the government & take actions on its own. Therefore, the perfect recipe for a disaster.
More over, if IA had PoWs, why not go public with it & humiliate China even further?
Lack of spine, lack of something else, or what is it that caused us to hold back this kind of information?
 
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The Tibetan origin member who died is probably a member of the SFF working under Indian intel agency R&AW.
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Aurora said:
Which is exactly why his real reason of death won't be revealed IMO.
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Where is this information coming from?

a> Why would a soldier be working with R&AW?
b> Even if that be the case, the fact that he worked for R&AW is revealed but is CoD cannot be revealed?
 
I will again ask you guys to go thru my post of two maps about how I would have played it. IA is doing exactly as per my plan but in reverse order. Next you will find Gogra/Hot Springs being dominated. It was important to first get the PT garrison in Gun sights from south bank of PT and then move in from North. I am really delighted that I can still think the way I could as a young officer regarding tactical planning and offensive ops.
Now we have trapped one full Brigade+ forces of PLA and these forces have no escape in case full fight starts. Next You will see IA moving in from the top of F8 from Gogra/Hot springs area to cut the road joining Konga La to F8 thru sirijap. IA is dividing the areas into small killing fields for PLA.
I loved the way Jaishanker and gang pretended helplessness and created a very big diversion to mask our real intentions. Masters of the game in deception.
 
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