Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

Saaho said:
I saw the most detailed satellite images of Phuck-sum-chink Lso Lake on Planet Lab today taken on 27th may. Why don't some peeps here get an account there to get those pictures? We can then all play the game of "Name that chink" from outer space. I so want to count the tents. Someone in college?

Better than relying on news sites with "according to senior bureaucrat who shall remain nameless" stories.
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I have the account, opened it after Balakot Raids, don't know how functional it is now, haven't used it from an year or so.

Resolution is quite low for most places, not very useful. Give me coordinates I will see if I can still order those images. (I am in lockdown without my laptop and the old PC monitor is broken).
 
The most important issue is Tibet acting as a buffer state ,when the balloon will go up,the superior Chinese rocket force will hit our cities and population centre with SRBM.we with our brahmos(which is quite costly also ) can only hit the rail link etc in Tibet .which won't have much impact on Chinese and using IRBM will lead us towards nuclear war( so no go there).


Basically what is happening is we are falling into the Chinese trap they want to engage us on land to distract us from sea .we don't have any other option but to strengthen our navy ,so that it will be capable enough to hit Chinese population centres like sanghai ,beijing etc through South China sea.untill that happen China will continue to prick us every now and then.


Local /sectorial superiority doesn't matter when the war will escalate and if we are incapable of transferring it to those sectors where population centre lies without using nukes,we are doomed.

I can see only POK where indian attack will be imminent as it will jeopardize their cpec investment, otherwise all other land based frontier we don't have capability to harm them in real sense.,as none of them has any strategic significance for Chinese.



What we really lack is a subsonic missile which is cheap having range in excess of 2000km to overwhelm their defense,submarine/ship based missile to hit them through South China Sea.for that we need to focus on navy and increase the number of platform and enter into alliance with like minded countries so that we can stand in South China Sea,if they can do that in Indian ocean ,we should also aim to develop the same capability wrt scs with in a decade or two.then only will they learn.


Most of all why nobody is taking us seriously is because we lack MIC ,when war will stretch and countries will slap sanction on both China and India ,with what we will fight??
So untill and unless we have our own weapon (so what if it is slightly substandard ) no body will treat us seriously.so indian military planner should stop demeaning the Indian weapon ,start agressive planning to formulate the plan to hit them hard within the nuke overhang.NAM is dead and defunct so anybody who think alliance is dirty word is Still living in the past.

PS;came to know that we have nearly 35 companies making ventilator in India ,some of them came up with pretty good algorithm but guess what all the motherboard are Chinese.
So hardware is the key to deal with the Chinese whether it's military or civilian.
 
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lcafanboy said:
The most important issue is Tibet acting as a buffer state ,when the balloon will go up,the superior Chinese rocket force will hit our cities and population centre with SRBM.we with our brahmos(which is quite costly also ) can only hit the rail link etc in Tibet .which won't have much impact on Chinese and using IRBM will lead us towards nuclear war( so no go there).


Basically what is happening is we are falling into the Chinese trap they want to engage us on land to distract us from sea .we don't have any other option but to strengthen our navy ,so that it will be capable enough to hit Chinese population centres like sanghai ,beijing etc through South China sea.untill that happen China will continue to prick us every now and then.


Local /sectorial superiority doesn't matter when the war will escalate and if we are incapable of transferring it to those sectors where population centre lies without using nukes,we are doomed.

I can see only POK where indian attack will be imminent as it will jeopardize their cpec investment, otherwise all other land based frontier we don't have capability to harm them in real sense.,as none of them has any strategic significance for Chinese.



What we really lack is a subsonic missile which is cheap having range in excess of 2000km to overwhelm their defense,submarine/ship based missile to hit them through South China Sea.for that we need to focus on navy and increase the number of platform and enter into alliance with like minded countries so that we can stand in South China Sea,if they can do that in Indian ocean ,we should also aim to develop the same capability wrt scs with in a decade or two.then only will they learn.


Most of all why nobody is taking us seriously is because we lack MIC ,when war will stretch and countries will slap sanction on both China and India ,with what we will fight??
So untill and unless we have our own weapon (so what if it is slightly substandard ) no body will treat us seriously.so indian military planner should stop demeaning the Indian weapon ,start agressive planning to formulate the plan to hit them hard within the nuke overhang.NAM is dead and defunct so anybody who think alliance is dirty word is Still living in the past.

PS;came to know that we have nearly 35 companies making ventilator in India ,some of them came up with pretty good algorithm but guess what all the motherboard are Chinese.
So hardware is the key to deal with the Chinese whether it's military or civilian.
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This is exactly what i said in my #637. I was saying this since long in another foreign forum too, even before announcing the L1 in mmrca 1
We need to develop tomahawk class cruise missile and a long-range bomber. I dont know why IAF is so much against a bomber fleet, as a stopgap measure, they can even go for few su34s.
 
Arsalan123 said:
90 thousand again. Everytime I say anything on an annoying post,you guys post pictures and say 90 thousand. We don't treat indians badly on pakistani defence forums. We don't humiliate them. I can understand your mentality. It's okay. It's useless to even comment on India China standoff because you guys only want to show us 90 thousand pictures,pants removal ceremony and other things like that. Even a senior member like nilgiri is posting 90 thousand. I think it's time to leave India on its own. You guys don't want comments from other countries specially from Pakistan.
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look that stamp was issued by pakistan and India has nothing to do with it. You are the one who is making useless comments and when responded with facts you cry hoarse. No one here is against you posting but you are indulging in stealth trolling. As I said your comments have no facts to begin with and you are constantly posting comments which has no value to discussion.
 
vikata said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1265651475990089731

Part time ....chacha as usual....
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Why u guys have so much against Nehru. I do agree that we have *censored*ed by chinese in 1962, you can blame him for that. But look at india & pakistan, we are here now only because of his visionary. At the time of independence the resources were divided between two countries, but we have to take care hell lot of population with limited money, people were uneducated, dalits were marginalized, no major engineering industry, no much educational institutions. He has done a lot of things to address those things and succeeded to some extant. Lastly not least, india is democratic country thanks him & Ambedkar, any one can spread vermin about him without any fear only because the safety provided by our democratic system which is his brainchild.
 
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Falcon said:
You cant spend 10 years in a 5 years term putting correct people in place.

Just like a CO makes do with whatever calibre of officers he has, so does the PM.
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Simple question: What separates good from the great?
Unlike the CO , PM does have the choice other than political compulsions I dont think there is anything that prevents him. Obviously every thing takes time (this is 2nd term for BJP) bcos we believe so. We keep giving excuses on why it cant happen instead of making it happen. It is leader's ability & responsibility to make it happen. Do we have those leaders? Do they have a vision & plan? How do we execute them? Frankly we should stop giving excuses and start owning up responsibility thats the first step.


You can only fight a war with military you have and not with one you want. If we keep waiting it will be eternity. Govt has to step on the gas and go for reforms instead of waiting for the stars to align. Truth be told they are all politicians who are more interested in winning elections & maintaining their image instead of really being leaders. Just like companies live quarter by quarter basis these ppl survive from elections to elections.
 
First of all I don't believe in delving too deeper as ivariably we will end up getting Skelton.

Similarly I also don't like the idea of judging somebody in totallity and passing judgement.


Nehru laid the foundation of modern India ?
Yes definitely.

Was he a Democrat??
Certainly

Was he a democratic elected leader of modern India (aka prime minister)

No




Was he a strategic visionary??
Certainly not ,as he could have judged the threat from China(which ppl like Patel has judged much earlier),even after loosing land he still supported China for security council.

Did he made mistake while dealing with Chinese by neglecting Indian army from 47 onwards ???

Yes ,the disgrace of defeat lies squarely on him.

Did he undermined democracy in Indian states ??

Yes ,in a truckload of ways


So choose what you want

PS ;it was an innocuous post so chill and peace
 
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Pankaj said:
The question is - will the talks work? The Chinese will demand stopping of the construction and infrastructure work along the LAC. Will the Indian side concede to their demands?
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There should be some mutual understanding after the talks start. India needs to focus on corona as well.
 
vikata said:
we with our brahmos(which is quite costly also ) can only hit the rail link etc in Tibet .
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We have SRBMs/MRBMs and a boat load of airbases to drop very cheap guided bombs. China has very few airbases on the western side.

Now, also, if China is hitting out population bases, we will be hitting theirs too using MRBMs lauched from our eastern side. This is Agni-1 and 2 we are talking about.

Basically at this stage, if the war goes nuclear, China has way way way more to loose than us.
 
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vikata said:
Was he a democratic elected leader of modern India (aka prime minister)

No




Was he a strategic visionary??
Certainly not ,as he could have judged the threat from China(which ppl like Patel has judged much earlier),even after loosing land he still supported China for security council.

Did he made mistake while dealing with Chinese by neglecting Indian army from 47 onwards ???

Yes ,the disgrace of defeat lies squarely on him.

Did he undermined democracy in Indian states ??

Yes ,in a truckload of ways


So choose what you want
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The design of a democracy is such that it can recover from one or two stupid leaders. We were in a quasi-monarchy setup till Narasimha Rao and after that hold of monarchy started to loosen. It is only in 2014 we fully threw away the quasi-monarchy and entered in a true democracy. That said, a stable capitalistic-monarchy setup can generate maximum progress with huge risk of blowing up. We cannot catch China in that regards but then we don't need to. Few wrong people in power will blow them up so fast that you won't even remember them.

A power struggle in India will destroy a party. A power struggle in China may involve military and destroy the country.

My only fear is wrong kind of politicization of military in India.
 
Apparently we have two options. Either convince Chinese that we would not be a part in any sort of D-Day that US may do on China in coming months or to fight a war with China.
The ball rests in our court now.
 
Saaho said:
We have SRBMs/MRBMs and a boat load of airbases to drop very cheap guided bombs. China has very few airbases on the western side.

Now, also, if China is hitting out population bases, we will be hitting theirs too using MRBMs lauched from our eastern side. This is Agni-1 and 2 we are talking about.

Basically at this stage, if the war goes nuclear, China has way way way more to loose than us.
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Use of mrbm can attract chinese nuclear response. I don't think we will fire any mrbm at chinese due to this, also those missiles will not reach chinese heartlands, range limitations.

And no, none of the IAF fighters or strike jets have tye range to drop pay load in china. I dont know wether we have tu22m! If we have tu22, then IAF can perform a suicidal missions in dep china.
 
Aurora said:
Apparently we have two options. Either convince Chinese that we would not be a part in any sort of D-Day that US may do on China in coming months or to fight a war with China.
The ball rests in our court now.
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Have the Chinese presented their charter of demands

If an India Pakistan conflict starts
Will China stay nuetral
 
Saaho said:
We have SRBMs/MRBMs and a boat load of airbases to drop very cheap guided bombs. China has very few airbases on the western side.

Now, also, if China is hitting out population bases, we will be hitting theirs too using MRBMs lauched from our eastern side. This is Agni-1 and 2 we are talking about.

Basically at this stage, if the war goes nuclear, China has way way way more to loose than us.
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The moment you use agni series ,it will go nuclear as there won't be any way in which one can be sured of whether it is carrying conventional or nuclear warhead.

The other issue is limited number of agni series ,I was talking about ability to hit Chinese without using nukes,their army ,ships etc should be all massively vulnerable to indian strike which we lack currently.basically we should develop a counter to the psychological trauma that China can target new Delhi with merely guided rockets.so we should develop the capability to cheaply target beijing in a similar way or sanghai .

I am aware of the Malacca straits and all (just want to widen it to maximum possible extent in the upcoming decade).Iam only stressing the fact that road to beijing is through the seas not through land .


We should also start guiding pak towards balkanization or internal implosion ,till Pakistan exist we will be under the threat of sino-pak attack.


I just want to know who was the person who said a strong Pakistan was essentially good for India.
 
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