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Just because I let go a fool take a snide at me with mention doesn't mean everyone having comprehension issues will drag me into their delusions.
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Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates
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Just because I let go a fool take a snide at me with mention doesn't mean everyone having comprehension issues will drag me into their delusions.
Quote it or delete it.
You can only cut a deal with Chinese by surrendering your sovereignty. Chinese don’t want anything else
It was not even in this context, we were talking about going to WHO. Point I clearly mentioned again and again was that China is weak and isolated after Corona, we should approach them and make a deal it could be economy or most important about settling border dispute so that we don't get this issue again and again. I also mentioned Army will do what they need to.
Trade and economy are most important components of foreign policy. That's how we approach any mature country. We talk about trade, we talk about people to people contact, free flow of labour, imports exports, we use this approach even with China not once but repeatedly. We have to find things where we converge and settle the issues that create problems.
How does this become don't fight give them territory?
It's your assumption that we can deal with China by surrendering Sovereignty, not mine and never I said this yet you say
Where I said this? You pick something out of context and you put your own assumption that it means surrendering Sovereignty and then you say I said it!
There is always give and take in deal making, when you solve dispute with China you will give some and you will get something in return. That's how border dispute with Bangladesh was settled, was it surrendering Sovereignty?
Don't pass your assumptions as my words.
Same applies for China. The moment it fires SRBM, India has no way of knowing if it is nuclear or not.
We have been fed with this nonsense that Nehru laid the foundation of modern India . But guess what ? IIT's are not his idea and he has no role in it
chacha didn't stop at that he went ahead with this great Freight Equalisation Policy and rest is history
This Freight Equalisation policy alone did not hurt Bengal
It was the 34 year CPM rule which was the real cause of Bengal's
de- industrialisation
Cant lay all the blame for bengal's deindustrialization on Nehru's feet. Subsidized freight charges alone wont have been enough to take away west bengals first mover advantages of good infrastructure and industrial ecosystem.. Have to blame state governments too..
As I said we have done everything you mentioned above.
Trade is lopsided entirely in favour of China
China is an exclusive communist state. They don’t want any p2p contact that’s why there is ban on every social media platform and they have created the Grate Chinese firewall which completely isolated China from outside world
Both have surplus labour so no flow needed. Both are opposed to it
Only thing they want from us is our money and our land. Even you yourself are accepting this. But the difference is they are not willing to give you Tibet or Aksai Chin. They never proposed that.
Only you are willing to give whatever you have. It’s essentially is selling for appeasing Chinese like what Pakistanis did long ago.
PS:It was not out of contex. You were lumping many incidents into one and terming it as Indian aggression on behest of US. Otherwise what does a unanimous WHO resolution have to do with this land grabbing attempt by China?
This is not even a China virus thread to begin with.
It is out of context, that discussion was on China Virus thread, he referred to it here not me, I replied to him and you picked the reply out of context. You can double check it.
The discussion started with India looking after own interests instead of sponsoring any resolution on behalf of others. Border tensions were a part of it. You are mixing up because either you are not privy to full discussion or just trying to prove something somehow.
What? Where? If you are referring to me as "you" then again you are attributing things you assume!
why would they agree with it ? They are just blackmailing us, they have nothing to lose. Every time we cut a deal it simply reinforces the fact that we are amenable. First thumb rule to approach the opposition from position of strength, that we dont have right now. Just look at how pakistan plays US, we need to learn from them.
When we have genuine problem then having discussions will solve or mitigate it. But here problem is deliberately created to put India under pressure. Every time chinese have done that they have ended up major benefactors while we have been just given the crumbs, take for example recognition of sikkim for tibet.
Exactly appeasement will encourage more such behavior. They simply think they can bully us and get away with more benefits.
So called Kashmiris or native Kashmiri imposters are planning VBIED suicide attacks in Kashmir when India is trying to defend laddakh from PLA invasion.
This truly shows that neither Kashmiri muslims who bow before saudi Arabia nor Pakistani salwar care for Kashmiri land because that's their logical reaction to land occupied, that they don't fear losing.
Ultimately it's the Hindus defending Kashmir from China, because we are related to Hindu rishi kashyapa and Sri nagar is land of godess laxmi.
This is why we inherited our religion, culture and rituals while ship jumpers wore salwars and lifting butts.
This truly shows that neither Kashmiri muslims who bow before saudi Arabia nor Pakistani salwar care for Kashmiri land because that's their logical reaction to land occupied, that they don't fear losing.
Ultimately it's the Hindus defending Kashmir from China, because we are related to Hindu rishi kashyapa and Sri nagar is land of godess laxmi.
This is why we inherited our religion, culture and rituals while ship jumpers wore salwars and lifting butts.
Ok, it may be true. Anyway I was not trying to insult you or anything like that.
My apology for jumping in the middle of a conversation
PS: You are saying we should do a land swap like we did with Bongos.
But the problem is Chinese don’t want to give anything they are occupying. You cant do swapping unilaterally
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Because they are weak right now, isolated, after spending billions they could only get Pakistan and North Korea as friends who hold no credibility in the world.
India can give them credibility they desperately need. They have to settle the dispute someday here they will get good deal and so do we.
That position of strength argument is right except w.r.t to China we don't know when will we in that position, there is a significant gap, thankfully due to Covid and whole world breathing down China's neck that gap is reduced for the moment, we should try to make use of it.
If you think WHO resolution will put us in position of strength I don't think that's happening. It's a nation of 1.35 Billion, well integrated in world economy with significant economic clout, they will survive whatever US can throw and US won't throw much.
Trump is aggresive because his own inaction on Covid led to significant damage and there is a election few months later so he want an enemy to present to public that can hide his mismanagement and at the same time present him as a strong leader something his core base like so much.
What will happen nobody knows, we should try for best.
It's okay I was impulsive too as it felt like I was accused of treason. My apologies for being rude.
The total area they've seized after 1962 in Ladakh is more than 1200 sq kms with most of it happening during MMS's term. Of course it began in a very small manner during ABV's term. It's one of the best kept secret in India. A few years ago when Sham Saran as NSAB chief issued a report (?) claiming the same during MMS's tenure, it raised a minor storm & Saran was forced to recant his statement.Wtf
Unfortunately, if this government opens its mouth on the issue now it'd be counter productive & fools here suggest we should be seeking accommodation with China without knowing that irrespective of any excuse that they may site or you may attribute to yourself their aim is simple ( just as society & the rapist blames the victim for having provoked the attack) - to grab as much land in Ladakh as possible . In fact they've gone far beyond what they've claimed in 1960 to the extent that they've been claiming in the past few years that they don't share a border with India in Ladakh. I've hinted as much in my earlier posts. Guess that went over a lot of heads too.
It means Modi is about to continue the saga.. but in a smaller way.. He is meaner in that.. he will give away less territory than MMS..Wtf
