Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

We have lost many soldiers on LOC with Pakistan due to Strategic Restraint policy when we did not retaliate to Pakistani provocation before 2014

Now we have hit them so bad that they have to abandon their posts

Now Chinese will suffer the same fate

This is the beginning of a new phase
 
screambowl said:
GOI can't handle it's own territory. When Luytens Delhi is majority maintained by the British government till now in the name of heritage you can image the 'aukaad of Indian Government' can't even maintain it's capital. The property of President house is under viceroy territory and Elizabeth is the owner till now, they have spent the money in it's their design and they are maintaining it. The big players have hold on Indian leaders. Indian leaders comes with baggage so Indians should not expect anything big they can do. There are more Vibhishans and Jaichands in India.

Nehru has signed 'phansi ka phanda around India's neck from Delhi to North East, from J&K to Kanyakumari' with the lever of gallows in hand of Britishers. Under these circumstances, India can't do sh*t. The documents are with the Britishers, without their permission you can't change education in India, nor the Finance Ministers.

Any one who tries to bring new policies is shifted over night. This has happened in past. The revolution changes all this but there has been no revolution in India past 200 years. Puppet government and flawed constitution has been planted by British in India.

Indians should forget big dreams.
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I don't know about this
I am hearing about it for the first time

Foreign influence is there especially in the politicians bureaucracy etc thanks to compromises made by congis and mentally slave douchebag indians ready to sell out to foreigners.

I am no modi fan but when people here say why modi don't do this and that , they forget making a decision is simply a tip of the iceberg , the bureaucrats are the major impedance to implementation.

If they are uncooperative there is nothing much which can be done , one cannot simply tranfer all bureaucrats nor dismiss them . There are laws which protects them . Few nos are not a problem , but if numbers are more than 2 percent , it becomes a near impossible task.

Major mistake modi did was not to overhaul the recruitment of civil servants and correction of our history books . He is going to rue that .

Revolution is passe , it is for anarchists , leftists , and liberals .

What we need in India is re discovery of Indian past so that the baggage of mental slavery can be shed for ever.
Hence I said modi missed a trick by not reforming our history and the educational system . Sustainable and real change happens over a long period of time not through short term Gimmicks like revolution . It does more bad than good.
 
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Falcon said:
The funny thing is that there is a GoI note of 1899 which alluded to accepting Aksai Chin part of China and Mr Nehru, our usual punching bag for all ills, actually claiming it :D

He earns my respect for this singular act .. and that of annexing NEFA respects to him for these atleast.
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If this is sarcastic post.. Please mention it.
I didn't fully get the meaning of this post ..
 
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hellbent said:
Me too wondering the same , could be unconscious too , but then why tied

Why the fuk the Indian army hid this ?
Has it become like the por...... army hiding casualties
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Those who are conscious are tied.
We can't see the face.. Don't decide before it's confirmed.

I am actually worried about the first guy, who is not tied up.
 
screambowl said:
Beating thrashing at LAC not often but also not uncommon. Such stone pelting is not happening for the first time. They do happen A Lot of times. And not just that, even IAF PLAAF face eachother during sorties. Most of the people here have no idea what else happens.
It is because of the world situation going bonkers over CCP virus, such news are being leaked into media.

Giving shirts and pants matching IA to Pakistani soldiers making them look like IA chaps and then clicking photos won't change the reality on ground. If China acts it becomes aggressor and if it doesn't it becomes a puss*e. Both ways it's a check mate for your new daddy!
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I don't care. This is just one incident.there are more videos and photos as well.indis has the upper hand but allow more videos to publish. Give pla some time.
 
Deploy Teja near LAC. Or they are waiting for PLA to reach Bengaluru so that they can then show the Teja's moves


Arsalan123 said:
I don't care. This is just one incident.there are more videos and photos as well.indis has the upper hand but allow more videos to publish. Give pla some time.
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There is a deal between India and China , they will not encroach eachother's territory. They will take the conflict to Pakistan.

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Maybe the true intentions of Chinese have still not been understood by people in India. They wargamed the whole thing for months when they created an exact replica of Aksai Chin in their war gaming area. They probably planned it for over 2-3 months and the whole idea must have been born good about 3-4 months back. So this time it is serious. Maybe they planned it right after article 370 was abolished but waited for snow to melt in Tibet Plateau. The movement by PA was reported in end April/ first week of May. It seems that chinese are buying time like Japan did before entering WW2. They want to see our buildup and weigh our options carefully before moving in. I also strongly feel that they may ask PA to launch the offensive first, wait and watch how it goes and than take a final decision.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
The map was put up by the British as part of a solution to Great Game. It was never put up by GOI. But yes, claiming Aksai chin upto Kunlun range was wrong as was putting whole of Aksai chin in Tibet. If we go by past records, even Mt. Kailash and Mansarover lake belong to India. As India is called Jambudweep and it has water all around it. Just look at how Sindhu and Brahmaputra provide us water on North, East and West while sea is on othersides. Even the `893 map of China has put whole of Aksai chin as the area belonging to Ladakh forming a part of Leh tehsil.

Those guys are ours in that pic.

Both the maps do not show whole of Aksai Chin as part of either empire. Moreover the logic of Chinese is that if ever in the past they ruled any part of the world, it is theirs even today. I have used the same logic about our claim to have watershed of Indua and Brahmaputra as the border.
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Again you didn't go through the posts and pictures posted till now in the thread. Communist PRC never claimed initially as much as they occupy now. They laid claim to only small partial Aksai Chin region. Claim area was to cover the highway, they were building on ancient carvan route. It was Indian government unsustainable insistence to not enter negotiations which forced them to take harder stand. China went for the kill and extended their claim and achieved that militarily.
 
vstol Jockey said:
Maybe they planned it right after article 370 was abolished but waited for snow to melt in Tibet Plateau. The movement by PA was reported in end April/ first week of May. It seems that chinese are buying time like Japan did before entering WW2. They want to see our buildup and weigh our options carefully before moving in. I also strongly feel that they may ask PA to launch the offensive first, wait and watch how it goes and than take a final decision.
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Chinese are most probably pressurizing Modi, so that he talks to Xi, regarding global scenario and asking for Indian support at international platform, when US deepens it's trade war with China along with other economies.
 
screambowl said:
Chinese are most probably pressurizing Modi, so that he talks to Xi, regarding global scenario and asking for Indian support at international platform, when US deepens it's trade war with China along with other economies.
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But Xi will face more pressure in coming days if "Macho" PLA perform this way. Leave back your vehicle and fellow buddy and retreat. Video as been leaked out on purpose to give lots of heart burn to CCP and PLA . Don't mind on the pics of 5 IA soldier. Rogue PLA has this old habit of torturing Indian petrol with taking advantage of numeric superiority .
 
RISING SUN said:
Aksai Chin was part of Silk trade route and was used by carvan passing from Tibbet to Xinjiang. There was no other land route to trade with Chinese empire. Read about Dzungar Khanate Empire, then Dalai Lama bestowing of title and then succession by Qing Dynasty empire of China. Maps are already there on internet, do check them if interested. Aksai Chin will be found inside those empires if you carefully check the maps.

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If that's the case the following century saw Gen Zorawar Singh first under the Khalsa Darbar & later under the Maharaja of Kashmir establish their suzerainty respectively over Ladakh & consequently over Aksai Chin. Your taking history back to the 18th century could be stretched all the way back to the 3rd century BCE under Ashoka followed by the Kushan era where Khotan & many desert oasis cities in the Tarim Basin were primarily filled with Iranic people who spoke Sanskrit & followed Buddhism where these cities were under the sovereignty of the afore mentioned Indic empires . This would then include Aksai Chin which was nothing but a transit route for trade caravans on the silk route & was uninhabited even then.


This is how the Chinese argue their case to which the Indonesian foreign minister in the recent past retorted that if this is how the Chinese base their claim, Indonesian too could claim Hawai apart from most of the cities in China as when the Krakatoa erupted in the 18th century, ash from it was spread all across the world.

Hence when I posted my last post, I clearly began by stating that irrespective of the past , at the time of the last rulers which happened to be the British in India , the Lamas in Tibet & the Qing dynasty followed by the Kuomintang in China, Aksai Chin was no man's land.

Incidentally post the collapse of the Qing dynasty & till the CCP came to power in China both Xinjiang / Sinkiang & Tibet were independent with neither exercising any sovereignty over Aksai Chin or for that matter in Sikkim, AP, Bhutan & Nepal too.
 
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Amid Ladakh standoff, 12,000 workers to be moved to complete projects near China border

The move comes even as Indian and Chinese soldiers are eyeball to eyeball at four locations along the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh.

Updated: May 31, 2020 10:39 IST
By Rahul Singh and Sunetra Choudhury
Hindustan Times, New Delhi
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The Ladakh administration wrote to BRO on May 15 saying it has no objection to the labour force being inducted for work in the forward areas. (ANI Photo)

The defence ministry has sought 11 special trains to move workers from Jharkhand to Jammu and Chandigarh from where they will be taken to areas close to the China border for building roads, three officials familiar with the matter said on condition of anonymity.

The move comes even as Indian and Chinese soldiers are eyeball to eyeball at four locations along the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh.

“There is no question of halting work on the road projects because of the standoff that could go on for weeks. The working season has begun and we cannot waste time,” said one of the officials cited above. He said some work has already started on the strategic Darbuk-Shyok-Daulet Beg Oldie road in Ladakh.

A second official said 11,815 workers will be transported on the 11 trains, and then be ferried to border areas in Ladakh and Jammu & Kashmir, Himachal Pradesh and Uttarakhand, where the Border Roads Organisation (BRO) is constructing important roads. The Union home ministry asked the railway ministry on May 22 to arrange the special trains from Jharkhand to Jammu and Chandigarh, said the second official.

This person said Union home minister Amit Shah discussed the issue of workers with Jharkhand chief minister Hemant Soren on Thursday when he spoke to chief ministers about the next phase of India’s exit from the ongoing lockdown. “Most of the workers are from Dumka. The state government will let the Centre know when they can go and work in the border areas.”

Home ministry officials said the trains will be operated as per the standard operating procedures dated May 19 on the movement of stranded workers during the lockdown.

China has marshalled close to 5,000 soldiers and deployed tanks and artillery guns on its side of the disputed border in the Ladakh sector where India has also sent military reinforcements.

HT on April 28 reported BRO’s plans to induct up to 40,000 workers to carry out the construction of key roads and tunnels in far-flung areas in the forward areas along the China border despite the Covid-19 pandemic.

“Infrastructure development along the border areas is an important requirement for both military and civilian purposes. Infrastructure building in our areas will continue as per the plan,” said Lt Gen SL Narasimhan (retd), a top China expert and a National Security Advisory Board member.

The Ladakh administration wrote to BRO on May 15 saying it has no objection to the labour force being inducted for work in the forward areas. It said the workers will be quarantined for 14 days after they arrive in Ladakh and social distancing norms will be strictly followed during the construction work.

BRO’s peak working season extends from May to November. Migrant workers are a key part of the organisation’s workforce involved in building strategic roads in Ladakh, Jammu & Kashmir, Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh, Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim. It plans to complete all 61 strategic roads assigned to it along the China border by December 2022 to allow swifter mobilisation of troops and stores to forward areas.

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Amid Ladakh standoff, 12,000 workers to be moved to complete projects near China border

The move comes even as Indian and Chinese soldiers are eyeball to eyeball at four locations along the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh.
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