Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

[_Anonymous_]

Thanks for calling that out. You are right. I confused Pulam Samuda for Demchok. Pulam Samuda is under Indian control. That said, Demchok is about 480-500 KM or so from Delhi.

Lastly, if they do want to target, there are places in TAR which can allow distances of 350 or less. Consider this :

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No country would place such units immediately on the border. They would be at least a 100 kms behind the actual border
Besides, China wouldn't target Delhi with pea shooters. They would do it using IRBMs & ICBMs. But we all know what that would entail.Let's see this conflict for what it is & not make it out to be what it isn't.This is a border conflict & will be confined to it. Posturing on other fronts is a possibility & if it comes to that , it'd be confined to posturing.

 

[Aurora]

I don't know why we should worry much about this 350km range rocket Artillery of China. I agree it does have far more range than our comparative systems but that doesn't means it is out of our range because Chinese would surely deploy them as close to our border as possible to optimally utilize its range. And from there our rocket artilleries like smerch and pinaka could easily take them out. I won't be surprised if even our regular artilleries get some of their shots on it.

 

[Saaho]

No country would place such units immediately on the border. They would be at least a 100 kms behind the actual border

I disagree, if it is required, they can do it. WeiShi rockets are not nuclear weapons that need to be protected like one.

Besides, China wouldn't target Delhi with pea shooters. They would do it using IRBMs & ICBMs. But we all know what that would entail.Let's see this conflict for what it is & not make it out to be what it isn't.This is a border conflict & will be confined to it. Posturing on other fronts is a possibility & if it comes to that , it'd be confined to posturing.

The question was "can they"? The answer to that is "Yes".

Will they? Probably not. Because hitting civilian centres will mean India hitting Beijing and then CPC has much more to lose.

 

[jetray]

Modi will never compromise with National Interest

Its not about Modi or anyone else, its the situation. We could say the same thing about kargil as well. Need to see facts not get blinded by ideology or persona.

 

[Saaho]

I don't know why we should worry much about this 350km range rocket Artillery of China. I agree it does have far more range than our comparative systems but that doesn't means it is out of our range because Chinese would surely deploy them as close to our border as possible to optimally utilize its range. And from there our rocket artilleries like smerch and pinaka could easily take them out. I won't be surprised if even our regular artilleries get some of their shots on it.

I do know though.
They are a counter to few of our airbases. Airbases are immovable and we have a few airbases in 350 KM range.

That said, we have a counter-counter to that. We can hit their rail-line connecting Tibet to Mainland China and take out few of their airports in TAR. This will effectively cut TAR off the rest of China. Prithvi can do that job decently. Or Brahmos.

 

[Sulla84]

I do know though.
They are a counter to few of our airbases. Airbases are immovable and we have a few airbases in 350 KM range.

That said, we have a counter-counter to that. We can hit their rail-line connecting Tibet to Mainland China and take out few of their airports in TAR. This will effectively cut TAR off the rest of China.

Besides air base runways can be patched up within hours... we just should not lose aircrafts to chinese rocket barrage...

 

[Ashwin]

Thanks for calling that out. You are right. I confused Pulam Samuda for Demchok. Pulam Samuda is under Indian control. That said, Demchok is about 480-500 KM or so from Delhi.

Lastly, if they do want to target, there are places in TAR which can allow distances of 350 or less. Consider this :

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Islamabad is 55km away from LoC !. It doesn't matter in context of rocket artillery. There is no value in targeting cities with those. Attacking a city only comes from the point of view of nukes. All other bombardment inside city need precision, which ballistic missiles and rocket artillery lacks.

 

[jetray]

I still say ,the chinese know that their true adversary is the US and not India , only winning power in this battle is the US.
Chinese dont wanna lose their gains for some barren land.
This is just posturing for something else.
They are already getting cornered from all sides and they will lose their remaining support due to being aggressive in such a pandemic

US is geographically far away and conflict happens only for influence. Where as that is the not the case for India. If you look from chinese perspective we are the only country that can disturb their occupation of tibet. Its not barren land its resources and access to rest of the asian continent.
If we were not an immediate threat why would china help pakistan from nukes to missiles.

Whether we like it or not there will be more conflicts in future with china , just like france & germany or france & england before world war.

 

[Saaho]

Islamabad is 55km away from LoC !. It doesn't matter in context of rocket artillery. There is no value in targeting cities with those. Attacking city only comes from the point of view of nukes. All other bombardment inside city need precision, which ballistic missiles and rocket artillery lacks.

The earliest Multiple Rocket Launchers were used as a psycological weapons in WW2. It does have a merit but then the counter attack on China will make them lose way too much.

 

[hellbent]

Dhoti shiering was a term used reneltly to degenerate Brahmins and their valour during Islamic wars. When Rajputs gave up, Brahmins fought till death with dhoties on and without personel armour. Please read the history written by muslim invaders about how they fought the Brahmins by first sending in the recent converts thru sword to fight the brahmins. The new converts were asked to show their alligance to islam by fighting for Islam and die for Islam. They were always under the sword of Islam. Those invaders first used these converted Hindu islamists from lower castes to tire out the Rajputs and Brahmins in battle and than let loose their hardcore warriors against the tired out Brahmins/ Rajputs. Please read the ransacking of Somnath Temple by muslim invaders.

Seriously bro where did that come from ?

I am a proud hindu and there is no doubt on that for anybody

Dhoti shivering if it has ulterior meaning I am not aware of it and certainly did not use in that context which you implied. I picked it up in BR forum where they also use the term lungi shivering . I don't think anybody uses in the context in which you implied .

I have never denigrated Indian traditions and our ancestors .

 

[jetray]

This is a border conflict & will be confined to it. Posturing on other fronts is a possibility & if it comes to that , it'd be confined to posturing.

It is not just a border conflict, more our economy grows greater the chance for support to tibet & other areas. chinese will try to put down India as much as possible they already are grooming pakistan as counter weight. These incidents are just precursor to conflicts in the future.

 

[Saaho]

Besides air base runways can be patched up within hours... we just should not lose aircrafts to chinese rocket barrage...

Its more than that. The rockets can (by pure chance, if fired in enough number) hit critical infra like fuel tankers, repair sheds, air control towers etc. So yes, they can disrupt and possible take the airfields out of commission temporarily or permanently. Saturation fire is indeed on tactic often used with rocket artillery.

Also later varients of WeiShi rockets are guided with GPS. So they may have somewhat better accuracy for huge targets like airbases.

 

[Ashwin]

The earliest Multiple Rocket Launchers were used as a psycological weapons in WW2. It does have a merit but then the counter attack on China will make them lose way too much.

It was used as psycological against opposing forces not civilians.

We live in a very different world now. Attacking civilian population for some intangible benifits is a sure no go.

Even during WW2, british bombing of German cities got heavy pushback. Their allies condemned ut. Even after winning war they had to answer.

Aerial bombardment and international law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But, sure if a war reaches at that stage anything can happen.

 

[Aurora]

I do know though.
They are a counter to few of our airbases. Airbases are immovable and we have a few airbases in 350 KM range.

That said, we have a counter-counter to that. We can hit their rail-line connecting Tibet to Mainland China and take out few of their airports in TAR. This will effectively cut TAR off the rest of China. Prithvi can do that job decently. Or Brahmos.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw3H4cu8MWnMj1vpE4yfA2rG&cshid=1591640378383

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Sir, please read this article and I request you to pay special attention on the part where author describes what China would need to make our airbases useless.
Rocket barrages would have nil effect on our airbases due to their integrated AD systems, hardened shelters and other important reasons are described in the article.

 

[Dambaru]

US is geographically far away and conflict happens only for influence. Where as that is the not the case for India. If you look from chinese perspective we are the only country that can disturb their occupation of tibet. Its not barren land its resources and access to rest of the asian continent.
If we were not an immediate threat why would china help pakistan from nukes to missiles.

Whether we like it or not there will be more conflicts in future with china , just like france & germany or france & england before world war.

Let me tell you a story about my state.. A certain dam project here is being protested against by the locals. GoI is the villain according to them.. But China has another dam built upstream, flash flooding happens in the hills, they release waters and after that we have to. My people are displaced/affected, and they blame our Government. We need to win the perception game, can no longer take things lying down. China is a cunt of a nation, with no regards for people and nature. Fk the bat eaters.

 

[AbRaj]

Let me tell you a story about my state.. A certain dam project here is being protested against by the locals. GoI is the villain according to them.. But China has another dam built upstream, flash flooding happens in the hills, they release waters and after that we have to. My people are displaced/affected, and they blame our Government. We need to win the perception game, can no longer take things lying down. China is a cunt of a nation, with no regards for people and nature. Fk the bat eaters.

Which state bro?

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

Let me tell you a story about my state.. A certain dam project here is being protested against by the locals. GoI is the villain according to them.. But China has another dam built upstream, flash flooding happens in the hills, they release waters and after that we have to. My people are displaced/affected, and they blame our Government. We need to win the perception game, can no longer take things lying down. China is a cunt of a nation, with no regards for people and nature. Fk the bat eaters.

You are warming up quickly!

 

[Dambaru]

Which state bro?

Assam, and the river is Subansiri, Assam and AP.

You are warming up quickly!

My heart bleeds.

 

[_Anonymous_]

It is not just a border conflict, more our economy grows greater the chance for support to tibet & other areas. chinese will try to put down India as much as possible they already are grooming pakistan as counter weight. These incidents are just precursor to conflicts in the future.

I think I was clear in what I wrote. It was regarding the present conflict. Not future ones.

 

[Saaho]

It was used as psycological against opposing forces not civilians.

We live in a very different world now. Attacking civilian population for some intangible benifits is a sure no go.

Even during WW2, british bombing of German cities got heavy pushback. Their allies condemned ut. Even after winning war they had to answer.

China has a much lesser regard to condemnation and perception. That said, I have already mentioned before, they have a bigger worry if Indian bombs or rockets start falling in Beijing than India has to worry about their rockets falling in Noida.