Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

Its a big development. Person tweeting this is a The Week magazine reporter.
 
vstol Jockey said:
This explains why the mountain top where chinese were in large numbers suddenly gave way. Many stated that Biharis probably used IED to blow up the hilltop.
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What i heard was there was a cloud burst in that region too, on that fateful night, could have contributed to other deaths due to landslides other than then ones killed fighting.
Infact most of China is currently reeling under landslides in multiple provinces & multiple places cloud burst & rivers overflowing, some bridges swept away as well.. Luckily Himalayas prevented most of sudden cloud burst, to affect India, but most of China has not been that lucky
 
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Its a big development. Person tweeting this is a The Week magazine reporter.
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I have heard a similar chatter. It is a grave threat and provocation. I don't know what is stopping us from launching a
pre-emptive strikes.
 
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RajibJ said:
Its a big development. Person tweeting this is a The Week magazine reporter.
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I doubt this to be true..
If it is.. Then it has to be accompanied by Chinese pilotspilots & crew.

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Rest of the world ..silent
 
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So this is what the Chinese meant when they said India crossed the LAC twice.

The Chinese troops all pumped up after their exercise (probably from a Group Army), thinking they are going to teach those Indians a lesson were obviously in for a rude awakening when introduced to reality.

Welcome to the real world, xiao huangdi.
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
We had ourselves got into a Maze of foolish agreements , protocols , CBMs --- whatever you can call it
And in ONE Day , all our doubts have been cleared

20 soldiers Gave their Lives so that
One billion Indians can UNDERSTAND THE REALITY OF CHINESE INTENTIONS
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There was nothing wrong with what Modi did back in 2014. He extended an olive branch to both Pakistan and China along with diplomatic sweetners. The Pakistani hawks responded with Pathankot, Uri and Pulwama, while the Chinese responded with Doklam and this incident.

Modi responded to Uri and Pulwama. Let's see what he does now.
 
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LoneWolfSandeep said:
What i heard was there was a cloud burst in that region too, on that fateful night, could have contributed to other deaths due to landslides other than then ones killed fighting.
Infact most of China is currently reeling under landslides in multiple provinces & multiple places cloud burst & rivers overflowing, some bridges swept away as well.. Luckily Himalayas prevented most of sudden cloud burst, to affect India, but most of China has not been that lucky
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Wrong information. There was no such thing which happened on that night.

Aurora said:
I have heard a similar chatter. It is a grave threat and provocation. I don't know what is stopping us from launching a
pre-emptive strikes.
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Skardu airbase can't support even a full squadron, where will it park these 40 aircraft. Wrong news. Unless the aircraft have been deployed deeper in Pakistan.

randomradio said:
So this is what the Chinese meant when they said India crossed the LAC twice.
The Chinese troops all pumped up after their exercise (probably from a Group Army), thinking they are going to teach those Indians a lesson were obviously in for a rude awakening when introduced to reality.
Welcome to the real world, xiao huangdi.
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The PLA soldiers who we held captive had their hands and legs broken and they cried like girls the whole night in pain. On 16th morning, we counted 46 stretchers being removed. Most of them were dead or nearly dead soldiers of PLA who were not even provided any medical treatment by IA. The injured were given medical aid but the dead or given up for dead were retained within the area and they were handed over to PLA on 16th. We informed them that we have some of their guys alive with us and we are treating them. PLA also told us at that time that they have some of ours. The decision to keep quiet was taken at that time and the exchange of prisoners and their proper treatment was agreed to at that point of time. We had lost the complete patrol of nearly 12 guys alongwith our CO in the first instance itself. After that counter attack by our guys started. PLA casualties were only thru the series of counter attacks. IA even went up the valley to engage them and fight them from the river bend on Galwan river which we call PP14. 16th Bihar and Medium Arty guys surrounded some PLA unit also in that region and had threatened to kill them all when a Brig level officer of PLA intervened to bring sense and stop the carnage of PLA guys. Most PLA guys were young guys and had probably never faced any kind of skirmish ever. There was complete breakdown of command and control within PLA and nobody knew what to do or what was happening. The initial loss of PLA guys who attacked the CO and others had even used shaolin swords but their swords had no answer to our cricket bats and hockey sticks and my own Favourite- Bayonet. What I have learnt is that the scene was somewhat like the hand to hand fight we saw in Border movie. Bahut bura maara hai PLA ko.
Let noone believe it but the truth remains that entire WTC is in shock with the kind of brutality Indians demonstrated on 15-16th night and the equally timid response of PLA.
 
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randomradio said:
There was nothing wrong with what Modi did back in 2014. He extended an olive branch to both Pakistan and China along with diplomatic sweetners. The Pakistani hawks responded with Pathankot, Uri and Pulwama, while the Chinese responded with Doklam and this incident.

Modi responded to Uri and Pulwama. Let's see what he does now.
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Modi has already responded by handing over LAC to IA and this subordinates ITBP to IA forever. While Biharis did what they did to set records straight. From now on there will be no more banner drills in my opinion.
 
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Skardu airbase can't support even a full squadron, where will it park these 40 aircraft. Wrong news. Unless the aircraft have been deployed deeper in Pakistan.
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Sir, I only heard that Chinese are placing their fighters in Pakistan. I don't come across the specifics like numbers and name of airbase. Please confirm it
 
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Aurora said:
Sir, I only heard that Chinese are placing their fighters in Pakistan. I don't come across the specifics like numbers and name of airbase. Please confirm it
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PLAAF does have an agreement with Pakistan to use their bases including naval and air bases. So it is a big possibility but I have no such knowledge that PLAAF has actually stationed their fighters on Pakistan soil. It will have massive repurcursions for Pakistan if they allow it. US, EU and Arab world will turn against Pakistan.
 
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Sathya said:
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I doubt this to be true..
If it is.. Then it has to be accompanied by Chinese pilotspilots & crew.

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Rest of the world ..silent
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Dont care what rest of the world says.
Unless the things spiral out to nuclear ways noone going to interfere in conflict between world 2nd and 3rd largest poweful nation.
They will just sit and watch if possible some military deals also
vstol Jockey said:
Wrong information. There was no such thing which happened on that night.


Skardu airbase can't support even a full squadron, where will it park these 40 aircraft. Wrong news. Unless the aircraft have been deployed deeper in Pakistan.



The PLA soldiers who we held captive had their hands and legs broken and they cried like girls the whole night in pain. On 16th morning, we counted 46 stretchers being removed. Most of them were dead or nearly dead soldiers of PLA who were not even provided any medical treatment by IA. The injured were given medical aid but the dead or given up for dead were retained within the area and they were handed over to PLA on 16th. We informed them that we have some of their guys alive with us and we are treating them. PLA also told us at that time that they have some of ours. The decision to keep quiet was taken at that time and the exchange of prisoners and their proper treatment was agreed to at that point of time. We had lost the complete patrol of nearly 12 guys alongwith our CO in the first instance itself. After that counter attack by our guys started. PLA casualties were only thru the series of counter attacks. IA even went up the valley to engage them and fight them from the river bend on Galwan river which we call PP14. 16th Bihar and Medium Arty guys surrounded some PLA unit also in that region and had threatened to kill them all when a Brig level officer of PLA intervened to bring sense and stop the carnage of PLA guys. Most PLA guys were young guys and had probably never faced any kind of skirmish ever. There was complete breakdown of command and control within PLA and nobody knew what to do or what was happening. The initial loss of PLA guys who attacked the CO and others had even used shaolin swords but their swords had no answer to our cricket bats and hockey sticks and my own Favourite- Bayonet. What I have learnt is that the scene was somewhat like the hand to hand fight we saw in Border movie. Bahut bura maara hai PLA ko.
Let noone believe it but the truth remains that entire WTC is in shock with the kind of brutality Indians demonstrated on 15-16th night and the equally timid response of PLA.
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Your information seems genuine considering the unprofessioinalism showed by the PLA.
Seems even PA is more professional than this.
 
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I was thinking and please dont kill me for that ; that Right now only Finger 4 to Finger 8 is blocked for Indian patrols

That is around 40 Sq KM of land

That is as good as occupied by China

Now if wait for just One year and let 18 RAFALES become fully Operational
And then start a conflict , what is the harm

We can also get 18 more Sukhois in this period , some more Mig 29s , Brahmos
Pinakas and Mirage upgrade will also be completed

What do you guys think
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
I was thinking and please dont kill me for that ; that Right now only Finger 4 to Finger 8 is blocked for Indian patrols

That is around 40 Sq KM of land

That is as good as occupied by China

Now if wait for just One year and let 18 RAFALES become fully Operational
And then start a conflict , what is the harm

We can also get 18 more Sukhois in this period , some more Mig 29s , Brahmos
Pinakas and Mirage upgrade will also be completed

What do you guys think
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So what is the real status now ?
How much we have already lost?
Then why our PM said that our land is not lost?
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
That is around 40 Sq KM of land
That is as good as occupied by China
Now if wait for just One year and let 18 RAFALES become fully Operational
And then start a conflict , what is the harm

We can also get 18 more Sukhois in this period , some more Mig 29s , Brahmos
Pinakas and Mirage upgrade will also be completed

What do you guys think
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And who will let you wait? Did they ask you before coming to Galwan, Finger 4 and Hot Springs?
 
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Modi has already responded by handing over LAC to IA and this subordinates ITBP to IA forever. While Biharis did what they did to set records straight. From now on there will be no more banner drills in my opinion.
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That will help us deal with future situations.

But I guess we are going to have to accept the reality that China has successfully changed the status quo as of today, along Doklam, Galwan and Finger 4. Perhaps a few other places as well.
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
I was thinking and please dont kill me for that ; that Right now only Finger 4 to Finger 8 is blocked for Indian patrols

That is around 40 Sq KM of land

That is as good as occupied by China

Now if wait for just One year and let 18 RAFALES become fully Operational
And then start a conflict , what is the harm

We can also get 18 more Sukhois in this period , some more Mig 29s , Brahmos
Pinakas and Mirage upgrade will also be completed

What do you guys think
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what is the altitude of F4 ridge? how high were the peaks in Kargil which were occuoied by PA? You know what IA did to those Pakistanis? The day we want, we can hit Sirijap or even Rutong.
 
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And who will let you wait? Did they ask you before coming to Galwan, Finger 4 and Hot Springs?
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They are on their side of LAC in these areas

Our build up us to prevent them from coming forward

Basically as I understand the terrain
There is no point in trying to occupy every inch

Some choke points will be identified
By either side

In Kargil , PA wanted to cut off Siachen by bombarding NH 1 A

Here the 255 km new DBO road is in their sights

If they try.to.stop our convoys to cut off DBO , then it is war
 
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vstol Jockey said:
Let noone believe it but the truth remains that entire WTC is in shock with the kind of brutality Indians demonstrated on 15-16th night and the equally timid response of PLA.
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There is every possibility that the 15 June violence will prevent any further conflict

If they had numbers on their side
AND the element of surprise , still they were beaten up then what will happen when we start infantry assaults and Artillery barrages
 
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