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Pakistan might be in economic trouble but they will still cause trouble , whenever they get a chance

It is just a matter of time when things blow up again

It's the 'let it go' attitude that cost us.
Be it 1971 or 1999, we had the chance to get back what is rightfully ours.
But, there was/is no will do get it done.
These surgical strikes / balakot strikes are not going to get us to the main objective.
The faster people realise that, the better it is for our country.
 
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Bangladesh also. They are emerging as a second Pakistan, a more real one. Also we need to threaten the congress party members also who think they can organise muslim mobs and wreak havock in society for their political causes.

Bangladesh is not even close to level of a threat that the Pakistanis pose to india. Bangladesh is still weaker than india. It has a huge population and also threatened by climate change and also still has weak economy that doesn’t have a strong of footing in the world. The Government in Bangladesh is on “friendly” terms with India and will not do anything stupid to jeopardize that relations.
 
Bangladesh is not even close to level of a threat that the Pakistanis pose to india. Bangladesh is still weaker than india. It has a huge population and also threatened by climate change and also still has weak economy that doesn’t have a strong of footing in the world. The Government in Bangladesh is on “friendly” terms with India and will not do anything stupid to jeopardize that relations.
They don't value any of that as long as they can do 'jihad'. They pose a threat.
 
So much for all the chest trumping of not leaving a man behind on Feb 27th. We could have really negotiated for the release of all the prisinors if we wanted to @Falcon
Most if not all these soldiers have been there since 1971 & before. In all likelihood, they've passed away a long time ago. But yes, this clearly goes to demonstrate the apathy among both our ruling classes & the armed forces for not putting their foot down. It's a huge blot on all of us.
 
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So much for all the chest trumping of not leaving a man behind on Feb 27th. We could have really negotiated for the release of all the prisinors if we wanted to @Falcon
These are PoW's and other issues, and we also have several of them in our jails, as @_Anonymous_ mentioned nothing to do with the current scenario and most of them would have passed away in their captivity....
 
5 Para SF Men martyred in LoC operation in Keran in which 5 terrorist were also killed!! What a big loss. Seems like Army HC hasn't learned any lessons from previous ops and is hell Bent on getting men killed!.
 
5 Para SF Men martyred in LoC operation in Keran in which 5 terrorist were also killed!! What a big loss. Seems like Army HC hasn't learned any lessons from previous ops and is hell Bent on getting men killed!.

Para SF are again keep getting Killed in these Rushed Encounters. They should let RR handle these situations instead of Rushing Paras into these places near the LoC. Para SF has one of the highest Causalities out of all the Units of the Indian Army Fighting against the Kashmiri and Pakistani Terrorists in a J&K.
 
Wahi to dikkat hain ki ghus ke thokne ke chakkar mein marte hain. Para sf is being wasted in such ops. These situations should be handled entirely by RR. Para SF will become like SSG with the way we are losing men.

SFF, RR, Ghatak they should be playing that game.
 
training problem ,
indian faujio ko ghus kar thokna nahi sikhatey

Nope. Command problem. The enemy was identified and classified by live drone footage. It was easily possible to call in a drone strike, an airstrike, or a precision air burst artillery strike, or even bracket the area with 120mm mortar. Nearly all would have done the trick.

Instead command in it's infinite wisdom eschews such instruments of force because you know z hearts and minds. Apparently the use of such systems will turn the population hostile. Yes you read that right. Go figure.

Actually the problem begins way before. We have amongst the worst senior officers corps in the world, and by a large margin, the consequence of having a selection and training regimen designed to shortlist and build up junior officers. We have great Lts, Captains, Majors. Even colonels. But at Brigadier and above, baring a hand full, we fail to produce effective commanders.

Most of these commanders lack the flexibility, innovativeness and decisiveness that a large formation commander requires to be successful. So much so that when someone is actually decent on the job he inevitably becomes famous. General Sunderji for example. Gen. Vipin Rawat is another. Nothing extraordinary about them. Just.decent commanders who understands what large formation command means.
Nobody teaches the rest that. Staff college, NDC, higher command colleges are still based on learning the bureaucracy..by the book. Our senior commanders are best compared to the British Army of WW2. The British managed to change, learning from their experiences facing the vastly superior German office corps. Now the Indian army is more british than the British themselves. Incompetent at nearly everything except bureaucracy.

This is also why you find those weird articles by ex officers like Praveen Sahwney and Lt. gen . HS Panag. He wouldn't have made brigadier in a NaTO standard army or even the Russian army. The idea of an Indian initiative is anathema to them, they can't imagine it because they were never competent enough to think independently.
 
Nope. Command problem. The enemy was identified and classified by live drone footage. It was easily possible to call in a drone strike, an airstrike, or a precision air burst artillery strike, or even bracket the area with 120mm mortar. Nearly all would have done the trick.

Instead command in it's infinite wisdom eschews such instruments of force because you know z hearts and minds. Apparently the use of such systems will turn the population hostile. Yes you read that right. Go figure.

Actually the problem begins way before. We have amongst the worst senior officers corps in the world, and by a large margin, the consequence of having a selection and training regimen designed to shortlist and build up junior officers. We have great Lts, Captains, Majors. Even colonels. But at Brigadier and above, baring a hand full, we fail to produce effective commanders.

Most of these commanders lack the flexibility, innovativeness and decisiveness that a large formation commander requires to be successful. So much so that when someone is actually decent on the job he inevitably becomes famous. General Sunderji for example. Gen. Vipin Rawat is another. Nothing extraordinary about them. Just.decent commanders who understands what large formation command means.
Nobody teaches the rest that. Staff college, NDC, higher command colleges are still based on learning the bureaucracy..by the book. Our senior commanders are best compared to the British Army of WW2. The British managed to change, learning from their experiences facing the vastly superior German office corps. Now the Indian army is more british than the British themselves. Incompetent at nearly everything except bureaucracy.

This is also why you find those weird articles by ex officers like Praveen Sahwney and Lt. gen . HS Panag. He wouldn't have made brigadier in a NaTO standard army or even the Russian army. The idea of an Indian initiative is anathema to them, they can't imagine it because they were never competent enough to think independently.
Disregarding what you've posted about the calibre of our senior echelons in our armed forces, what does this say about the calibre of our SF's? How does one explain a 1:1 kill ratio between highy trained & well equipped SF's & highly motivated & modestly armed insurgents? Is it a training issue or lack of material resources or something else ? Besides, this isn't the first of it's kind instance too? There have been plenty of such cases earlier too though the details escape me where the attrition faced by SF's in such encounters were unacceptably & embarrassingly high.
 
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Disregarding what you've posted about the calibre of our senior echelons in our armed forces, what does this say about the calibre of our SF's? How does one explain a 1:1 kill ratio between highy trained & well equipped SF's & highly motivated & modestly armed insurgents? Is it a training issue or lack of material resources or something else ? Besides, this isn't the first of it's kind instance too? There have been plenty of such cases earlier too though the details escape me where the attrition faced by SF's in such encounters were unacceptably & embarrassingly high.
True man , getting killed by a shithole worthless terrorists is a blot on an organisation like PARA SF.
Can it be like SSGs were part of that terrorists group??? They are surely.