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The NDTV article said 4 Para's commandos were involved in the op who were the same ones involved in the surgical strike. If that's true, this isn't undertaken for some trophies but arm chair generals clearly didn't think it through the operational challenges.

Also, NATO and particularly US ops in the middle east have always been supported with overwhelming response even to take down 5 tangos while here we sent very few commandos to tackle unknown number of hostiles in extremely harsh weather and terrain, completely blind with no idea who they're dealing with. The worst part is even elite SOF units are wearing conventional camo and gear where in they should be using a snow camo
 
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Can't the govt/army allow selective use of airpower in areas which are desolate and devoid of any civilians?

When the tangos were first detected by the UAV, the same UAV could have wiped them out at that moment. If the UAV isn't weaponised, then a weaponised UCAV could have been brought in.
 
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randomradio said:
@Falcon

Can't the govt/army allow selective use of airpower in areas which are desolate and devoid of any civilians?

When the tangos were first detected by the UAV, the same UAV could have wiped them out at that moment. If the UAV isn't weaponised, then a weaponised UCAV could have been brought in.
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We don't have any weaponised ucav's. All are uav's are made for surveillance. Even the predator drones we ordered are for surveillance . IA needs to reanalyse it's threat assessment
 
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Lolwa said:
We don't have any weaponised ucav's. All are uav's are made for surveillance. Even the predator drones we ordered are for surveillance . IA needs to reanalyse it's threat assessment
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I think the Heron TPs we ordered are in service now. Delivery was expected a year after contract was signed.

The Predator drones are also weaponised, but obviously no contract has been signed yet.
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
I am sorry for saying this but the blame for such casualties lies in the Inter Unit Rivalry

If One Para SF unit has brought "Trophies " Or "Footballs " ; others ALSO have to MEASURE UP

We could have waited for them to move till a more favourable time
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Well there are flaws in this operation, but nothing like the one you mentioned here..... This was a clear case of Bad luck.....
 
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there are reports that these people went to terroristan through legal channel aka wagah border ,then trained there and come back as a terrorist ,meanwhile what were our our intel agenciezs doing ,even now why we are not taking up this issue with the terroristan /pu*kistan,again these dramas of martyrdom afre created in kashmir.why we handover the bodies to the family members ,even america doesnot play like this .we are our own enemy and somewhat incompetent .today for the first time i am agreeing with the @screambowl .
if possible always use infalmmable material and set the building on fire in which these terrorist are hiding ,no need to give the body to family member to create drama,set the bodies on fire ,plain and simple. this alone will send the fear of god into them.


ps: after the rant i thought that maybe they dont want to create the problems for the locals muslims serving in the police and army ,thats the only plausible reason i can think of .as it will create further dissention and division in the society
 
randomradio said:
I think the Heron TPs we ordered are in service now. Delivery was expected a year after contract was signed.

The Predator drones are also weaponised, but obviously no contract has been signed yet.
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Why should it be such a big effort to do a urgent Jugaad of putting the shortest range Nag missile 3-4 kms, mounting it on the underbelly of a drone for use in such dangerous missions. Proper UCAV can be worked on in parallel.
 
nair said:
Well there are flaws in this operation, but nothing like the one you mentioned here..... This was a clear case of Bad luck.....
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Those terrorists were already hiding in a Gorge

They had been pinned down , they were
Unable to move

Did you see the picture of our soldiers air dropping on the snow

It was but natural that in such heavy snow there would be accidents

We could have put LMG positions surrounding them on both sides and also used mortars or Carl Gustaf to smoke them out

Even when we use SF Paras for cross border raids , the weather and snowfall and the routes of ingress and egress
Are all carefully planned
 
Lolwa said:
We don't have any weaponised ucav's. All are uav's are made for surveillance. Even the predator drones we ordered are for surveillance . IA needs to reanalyse it's threat assessment
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What an embarrassment , even Pakistan uses armed drones to smoke its western border.
Bigger embarrassment is they have their own UCAV Burraq and since when yeah since 10 years
 
Golden_Rule said:
Why should it be such a big effort to do a urgent Jugaad of putting the shortest range Nag missile 3-4 kms, mounting it on the underbelly of a drone for use in such dangerous missions. Proper UCAV can be worked on in parallel.
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They are planning something like that or it's already been done. Some of the existing Herons have been/are being armed. Obviously people do not want to talk about it.

This is merely speculation, but with using airpower being a political decision, a jugaad type approach has likely not been considered since it's not an urgency.

GoI should seriously reconsider using airpower. But I think the danger here is PAF may try to run interference and this could escalate. If that's the case, then they should bring in precision artillery with UAVs providing coordinates. At least this could have been easily done in this case. The UAV already had them in its sights, all we needed was some bloke manning a howitzer to fire at that position.
 
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randomradio said:
They are planning something like that or it's already been done. Some of the existing Herons have been/are being armed. Obviously people do not want to talk about it.

This is merely speculation, but with using airpower being a political decision, a jugaad type approach has likely not been considered since it's not an urgency.

GoI should seriously reconsider using airpower. But I think the danger here is PAF may try to run interference and this could escalate. If that's the case, then they should bring in precision artillery with UAVs providing coordinates. At least this could have been easily done in this case. The UAV already had them in its sights, all we needed was some bloke manning a howitzer to fire at that position.
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I don't think PAF would risk to come close to low flying drone ~ 1 km altitude and at 45* from the target to take a precision shot within the range of NAG. Like @Falcon once said that the airspace around LOC is secured by our UAVs.

These low flying drones could be a Quadcopter with a payload lift capacity of say 25kgs. We do not need sophisticated MALE/HALE for such operations.
 
Golden_Rule said:
I don't think PAF would risk to come close to low flying drone ~ 1 km altitude and at 45* from the target to take a precision shot within the range of NAG. Like @Falcon once said that the airspace around LOC is secured by our UAVs.

These low flying drones could be a Quadcopter with a payload lift capacity of say 25kgs. We do not need sophisticated MALE/HALE for such operations.
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Large quadcopters may be able to carry 1 such missile for use.

But we need MALEs for surveillance, and only they carry the sort of sensors that we need. So it makes sense to just stick the Nag on the MALE UAV for such missions.
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
If One Para SF unit has brought "Trophies " Or "Footballs " ; others ALSO have to MEASURE UP
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Surgical strikes were taken up by the same 4 Para who're also part of this op...so it's unlikely this is some inter unit rivalry or for trophies
It's evident the planners rushed in the unit without proper recon or planning
 
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randomradio said:
Large quadcopters may be able to carry 1 such missile for use.

But we need MALEs for surveillance, and only they carry the sort of sensors that we need. So it makes sense to just stick the Nag on the MALE UAV for such missions.
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Yes, sure, MALE would do the surveillance and communicate back the coordinates to the Quad/Octocopter in order to takeoff from the closest tactical-UCAV base so as to reach the proximity to the target in the quickest possible time, feed NAG with accurate coordinates to lock on and zero in on to the target when in line of sight from 1-2 Kms
 
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