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[_Anonymous_]

Too much offtopic stuff. But since it concerns Pakistan, it's fine.

We don't see MANPADs in Baloch and FATA because Pakistan doesn't supply them with MANPADs. India does not finance terrorism in Pakistan, so Pakistan can use area effect weapons with impunity.



Pakistan supplied MANPADs.



Even the Russians don't like Taliban. They support Af govt. It's because of Russia that India could support Northern Alliance through Tajikistan. But recently, they have gotten closer to Taliban to deal with ISIS, but not to the extent that they will supply MANPADs to deal with NATO.

I think it's time we ditch these old shibboleths. If using helos or drones in open spaces with missiles is called for, we ought to exercise it. If need be overhaul the entire SOP. And if we're not doing so out of fear of Pakistanis arming terrorists with MANPADS, this can cut both ways. We can do the same with the Balochis or TTP.

Iran & Russia wanted the US out & to that extent they floated this fanciful theory of enabling the Taliban to counter ISIS.The ISIS in Khorasan is a pure ISI creation in the same way that ISI sponsored various Mujahideen groups in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation , playing of one another. In fact there's nothing that the deep state in Pakistan does which is original. It's the same recycling of time tested tactics that they've used before. Be it the use of the Qabailis in 1947 to the Punjabi musalmaans now or the Mujahideen in the initial phase of miitancy in J&K or sponsoring & hedging between different groups of terrorists in Afghanistan today as they did in the 1980's .


Islamic Republic of Afghanistan : News & Discussions

Check out #268

 

[Lolwa]

You need to expand the circumference and realize why Pakistan uses these tangos. One motive is to analyses India's fire power and training capabilities and improvise themselves. So India can't use what it has for China or Pakistan military. Helis still are feasible option when required. Should do trials.

In this situation particularly using helos or drones would have been pointless anyway . But atleast we should be blatant about our capabilities. Forcing the Pakistanis into an arms race is the best way to disgruntle their population and stress their economy. We buy these expensive machines and never use them offensively against a country which is openly against the idea of our nation. This hiding our capabilities for some future war is such a bullshit concept. The Russians don't hide their capabilities neither do the Americans. What do we have to hide our capabilities for? The ISI already has most idea of things. Atleast we have ucav as falcon says we should start using it on pok on whim like how the Americans do it. We are still scared for war. We do one surgical strike and everybody is happy. These surgical strikes should be regular. Like how the Russians have created a state of constant war in Ukraine. We are capable enough to create a situation like that. Keep killing them silently till cracks start appearing. Our problem is we give a punch and get back and wait for them to react. Instead we should keep punching them till they are battered and bleed to death.

 

[screambowl]

Like I said for army now, aapke anubhav ke saamne sare doctor ghutne tek te hain

And no I am not IAF

Effects of temperature on bleeding time and clotting time in normal male and female volunteers. - PubMed - NCBI
bina jhand karvaye manoge nahi ??

OBJECTIVE:
This study was done to assess the effects of temperature on bleeding time and clotting time in normal male and female volunteers.

DESIGN:
Open study utilizing normal volunteers.

SETTING:
University research laboratory.

SUBJECTS:
Fifty-four healthy male and female volunteers, ranging in age from 19 to 35 yrs, who were not receiving medications. The study was done and the samples of venous blood and shed blood collected at the template bleeding time site were obtained at a convenient time for each volunteer.

INTERVENTIONS:
Skin temperature was changed from +20 degrees to +38 degrees C and blood samples were obtained from the antecubital vein of each volunteer.

MEASUREMENTS AND MAIN RESULTS:
The effect of local skin temperature ranging from +20 degrees to +38 degrees C on bleeding time was evaluated in 38 normal volunteers (19 male and 19 female). Skin temperature was maintained at +20 degrees to +38 degrees C by cooling or warming the forearm. At each temperature, measurements were made of complete blood count, bleeding time, and thromboxane B2 concentrations in shed blood collected at the template bleeding time site and in serum and plasma isolated from blood collected from the antecubital vein. Clotting time studies were measured in 16 normal volunteers (eight male and eight female) at temperatures ranging from +22 degrees to +37 degrees C. At +32 degrees C, the bleeding time was longer and hematocrit was lower in female than in male volunteers. However, at local skin temperatures of < +32 degrees C, both the males and females exhibited significantly increased bleeding times, which were associated with a reduction in shed blood thromboxane B2. Each 1 degree C decrease in temperature was associated with a 15% decrease in the shed blood thromboxane B2 concentration. Clotting times were three times longer at +22 degrees C than at +37 degrees C. Each 1 degree C reduction in the temperature of the clotted blood was associated with a 15% reduction in the serum thromboxane B2 concentration.

CONCLUSION:
Our data indicate that during surgical procedures, it is important to maintain normothermia to ensure that platelets and clotting proteins function optimally

PS: cold temperature increases the bleeding time, but reduces the clotting time and blood does not clott above 50 deg celciusm. The cold temp shrinks the vessels and thes prolonged bleeding time. If the body is exposed to cold for longer times the bleeding might stop but then hypothermia takes on, thus by this action the it will not be a blood clot inside the body but temp can cause hypothermia.

This wis why during special across the border ops non regulars used to carry tranexmic acid to induce a clot, while operating in upper Himalayas.

Bhai defence mein hi ho?

These are normal things which are told during ops.

I am sure you have tremendous experience of fighting at 1 meter distance with an enemy who is static and you who have slipped and are trying to regain your balance as you land just in front of the enemy ....

The snow was loose and the troopers actually slipped and fell literally on the militants.

I am sure you have tremendous experience of fighting at 1 meter distance with an enemy who is static and you who have slipped and are trying to regain your balance as you land just in front of the enemy ....

aap ke anubhav ke saamne poori SF aur bhartiye sena ghutne tek ti hai

I know the capability of SF guys. Mere village se bohot bandey hai Don't teach what they are capable of and what not. You are not the only one in defence. I have far better sources to know what went wrong. I don't share things this doesn't mean that you will take the advantage of misleading people here on forum just to cover up the botched operation and save on of your own commissioned officer who is responsible for the death of 5 para SF guys.

Tum log 1-1 crore bachane ke chakker mein faujio marwa dety ho. This is your economy and management.

Pakistan is sending tangos, how many times have you been able to inflict damage to their officers. Muh mat khulwao yaar mera yahan pe. Ghar mein ghus ke tumhe tok baja dety hai and you are not able to do sh*t

NOT ALL but many of Your officers are not taking bold decisions, responsibilities and blaming SOP all the time to a botched activity.

 

[screambowl]

In this situation particularly using helos or drones would have been pointless anyway .

Yeah because there was already a delay of 5 days.

But atleast we should be blatant about our capabilities. Forcing the Pakistanis into an arms race is the best way to disgruntle their population and stress their economy. We buy these expensive machines and never use them offensively against a country which is openly against the idea of our nation. This hiding our capabilities for some future war is such a bullshit concept. The Russians don't hide their capabilities neither do the Americans. What do we have to hide our capabilities for? The ISI already has most idea of things

Arrey yaar, their policy is to keep things under secret, bureaucratic ego problems. And to use the weapons kept secretly on the day of qayamat when actual war happens. But they forget that Pakistan and China already know India's capability. Through intelligence. Many officers and military personals are found honey trapped, many news don't come at all.
India's own media has trapped them.

Bhai bohot bura haal hai inka.

We do one surgical strike and everybody is happy. These surgical strikes should be regular. Like how the Russians have created a state of constant war in Ukraine. We are capable enough to create a situation like that. Keep killing them silently till cracks start appearing. Our problem is we give a punch and get back and wait for them to react. Instead we should keep punching them till they are battered and bleed to death.

The military planners advice them not to do it as they are not ready It may lead to war. And economy would fall. Finance ministry says no. MEA says, they want to solve it via dip-loo-macy.

None of them are on a same platform. This is why I say, India's problem is psychological.

It's only 6 years, and such and India is not ready yet. But I expect better local response for such intrusions in J&K.

why didn't we saw MANPAD in Baloochistan and FATA sir?

India has already encountered problem where Pakistan used MANPADS in Kashmir, they shot one Mig 21 and a heli during Kargil war, 20 years ago. The solution is also there. They use manpads you escalate it to air to air. Use BVR.

Giving message is more important.

 

[randomradio]

I think it's time we ditch these old shibboleths. If using helos or drones in open spaces with missiles is called for, we ought to exercise it. If need be overhaul the entire SOP.

Most definitely. That's why I am trying to get to some clues regarding this with @Falcon's help.

And if we're not doing so out of fear of Pakistanis arming terrorists with MANPADS, this can cut both ways. We can do the same with the Balochis or TTP.

We do not fund terrorism in Pakistan... unfortunately. Responsible nation and such codswallop.

Iran & Russia wanted the US out & to that extent they floated this fanciful theory of enabling the Taliban to counter ISIS.The ISIS in Khorasan is a pure ISI creation in the same way that ISI sponsored various Mujahideen groups in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation , playing of one another. In fact there's nothing that the deep state in Pakistan does which is original. It's the same recycling of time tested tactics that they've used before. Be it the use of the Qabailis in 1947 to the Punjabi musalmaans now or the Mujahideen in the initial phase of miitancy in J&K or sponsoring & hedging between different groups of terrorists in Afghanistan today as they did in the 1980's .


Islamic Republic of Afghanistan : News & Discussions

Check out #268

I think ISIS and Pakistan are enemies in Afghanistan. It's because ISIS is fighting against Pakistan's identity as a nation, which naturally threatens the position of the army. Especially when it comes to the ideology of the Muslim Ummah, the average Pakistani will eventually start respecting ISIS more than the army depending on how much more Islamic one is over the other.

The Pakistanis have historically always been more attracted to the most dumbass person available, which explains the systematic deterioration of the country with every generation.

 

[screambowl]

I think ISIS and Pakistan are enemies in Afghanistan. It's because ISIS is fighting against Pakistan's identity as a nation, which naturally threatens the position of the army.

It's all about afeem lordship.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

We do not fund terrorism in Pakistan... unfortunately. Responsible nation and such codswallop

Sure.

Or maybe we suck at it with half hearted attempts. Pakistan can use airstrikes in Baloochistan and FATA and we let it happen. Just when it comes to Kashmir we suddenly remember Pakistan can retaliate and arm jihadis with MANPADS.

Please stop fooling Indian public by calling Kashmir as integral part of India. Seriously.

 

[lcafanboy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1248589306211565570

 

[screambowl]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1248589306211565570

I highly doubt this. And even if it is true, then they are playing psychologically. They have done the operation and now want a free escape.

 

[lcafanboy]

I highly doubt this. And even if it is true, then they are playing psychologically. They have done the operation and now want a free escape.

No neelum valley is set on fire by IA for sure, confirmed by several Pak handles that Indian army is using heavy artillery. And no Indian army is never gives them free escape. The firing will continue till all targets are flattened and 5x5=25 is achieved. After that nothing remains to be flattened so it's stopped. Problem is Pakistanis are "kutte ki dum" they return back. The only way to deal with them is kill the Dog itself, in this case Pakistan needs to dismembered and finished once for all.

 

[Yashpatel604]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1248593054757355520

 

[Jaymax]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1248565942935785472

We will keep pounding they will keep coming. Its almost like the early 2000s before the ceasefire agreement

 

[Yashpatel604]

#PKMKB

https://twitter.com/x/status/1248623593908396036

 

[lcafanboy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1248624459403018242

Treat for your eyes...☺

 

[Gautam]

#PKMKB

https://twitter.com/x/status/1248623593908396036

Drone tagging targets for artillery fire from the looks of it. Good stuff, should happen more frequently.

 

[lcafanboy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1248634131405107200

 

[Saaho]

Also, armed helicopters can not be in vicinity of LC. But it is this latter aspect that allows flexibility of approach as I am not saying we should use gunships. What I am saying is that the militants, who had been visually acquired even by the helis once on scene, could have been eliminated from fire from helicopter by team on board. This was not permitted.

That was pretty stupid.

If don't know, if I were making calls, I would have gone for use of B-C weapons on these infiltrating gentlemen from a distance. May be non-lethal ones. I know many agents cause severe vomiting, and/or blindness. Once incapacitated, you can then let them be. They will die from elements or can be apprehended.

 

[screambowl]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1248593054757355520

Seems from training. Arty kept in open to welcome Pakistani retaliation. itney bewkoof to nahi humary gunners.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1248624459403018242

Treat for your eyes...☺

soon pakistan will also release one.

No neelum valley is set on fire by IA for sure, confirmed by several Pak handles that Indian army is using heavy artillery. And no Indian army is never gives them free escape.

Time to accept that we are not able to handle Pakistan. Sab jhanduo ko bharti kiya hua hai govt ne.

 

[vstol Jockey]

Mujhe bharti kar diya toh adha department ka kaam sambhal lunga bakio ka kya hoga? They have kids and wife to look after. LOL

do you even know how a gun is cocked? or how to load a magazine?

 

[lcafanboy]

Seems from training. Arty kept in open to welcome Pakistani retaliation. itney bewkoof to nahi humary gunners.



soon pakistan will also release one.



Time to accept that we are not able to handle Pakistan. Sab jhanduo ko bharti kiya hua hai govt ne.

It's all fault of previous governments. Capabilities are built over time not over night. When Homi bhabha told Nehru that we can detonate a nuke within 3yrs in 1954 that Tharki didn't gave go ahead. What happened it cost us 1962 humiliation and UN security council seat veto power.

In 1987 genral sunderji was raring to dismember Pakistan after brasstack & Israel wanted to use indian airbase to knock out Pakistani nuke facilities Rajiv Gandhi didn't gave go ahead as he didn't wanted to lose his vote Bank. What happened Pakistan aquired nuclear weapons now what you do with a nuclear power state? How do you deal with it?
Exactly the same way this government is dealing with it. Finish them economically, weaken them by funding insurgencies, keep hammering them until they collapse and they will eventually. It needs patience and capability building which govt is doing by funding indigenous weapons program, buying off the shelf weapons like Rafale, s400, and other weapons, which this government is doing.

Remember we have lost 10yrs from 2004-14 due to scamsters running the country. They diverted all the money needed for defence to projects where they can make money. They wreaked the economy (lost to China during 2004-14 they took their economy from 2 trillion dollars to 10 trillion dollars during this period due to short sighted CONgress govt) and army modernization. What can be done in this environment.

It's either go for a war where we may get hit by a few nukes and lose a couple of million population and get sanctioned and ruin economy completely and may be a broken country since South Indian states would like to go their way or do what this government is doing hammer them, choke them financially and wait for their collapse....