LOC Flare up: Related news and Discussions

[randomradio]

If we are to take back PoJ&K & we've learnt nothing from our CI ops over the past 70 years particularly the past 3 decades in J&K, we'd follow your advice. Otherwise we'd do what the Myanmarese have done in Rakhine , though they too have executed their plan in half measure albeit they weren't in a situation of war which gives us the perfect cover to execute our plans, should we undertake such a venture , however cold blooded they are, without being squeamish or apologetic about it.

In a decade or two, a major RMA will likely happen within the infantry due to exosuits.

The technological standards are going to increase to a point where warfare will become solely the purview of the rich.

We are now at the humble beginnings of the Iron Man suit.

 

[thinkingcap81]

Its been happening for months. Am happy for once Army has decided to release footage.

Please recollect that had mentioned earlier that the only Surprise Day for us on 27 Feb 2019 was how quickly PAF vacated the air space to us as IAF's ROE was revised to weapons free all over J&K and PAF then moved into depth. This, coupled to the impunity with which our UAVs of SATA like Herons move across LC providing Target Acquisition and Bomb Damage Assessment in real time with absolutely no challenge by Pakistan, really surprised us.

Hi Falcon, what would be the benefit of releasing such a drone footage? Bring this out in the open would make the PA & PAF take them out. If they had to respond to our 26 Feb strike then whats a drone? In any case they do show pictures of our drones being shot at.

Also, why doesn't Pak take out our drones? If our drone goes across the LoC and is shot down, surely IA/IAF won't respond. So what is happening?

You also mentioned that their drones come in and assist in infiltration attempts. We don't shoot them because it could be difficult or not worth it?

 

[Hellfire]

Hi Falcon, what would be the benefit of releasing such a drone footage? Bring this out in the open would make the PA & PAF take them out. If they had to respond to our 26 Feb strike then whats a drone? In any case they do show pictures of our drones being shot at.

Also, why doesn't Pak take out our drones? If our drone goes across the LoC and is shot down, surely IA/IAF won't respond. So what is happening?

You also mentioned that their drones come in and assist in infiltration attempts. We don't shoot them because it could be difficult or not worth it?

Drone footage released as India started realizing that claims alone won't help. Finally some genius in our hierarchy understood that you can actually boost your anti terror operations narrative by showing selective targeting to minimize collateral damage while at the same time, not allow the other side to deny the same and paint it as targeting 'innocent civilians'

No idea what the current policy on their drones is, but they usually come in at night and do a very brief ingress a couple of minutes and gone. So ... maybe not having the time to shoot them?

 

[Hellfire]

Will this stop us from acquiring PoJ&K also ?

Let's see. Things are way too complicated. But there is only one way to get PoJ&K back and that is by the region itself choosing to break away. Militarily not much can be done.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Let's see. Things are way too complicated. But there is only one way to get PoJ&K back and that is by the region itself choosing to break away. Militarily not much can be done.

How will the region breakaway? Reports suggest that Mirpuris are actually the majority in the so called Azad Kashmir region & that in their Northern Areas the local Gilgitis & Baltis are fast being reduced to a minority thanks to the GoP & PA settling Punjabi & Pashtun Sunnis.
Why do you think we can't do much militarily ? Can you elaborate?

 

[thinkingcap81]

Drone footage released as India started realizing that claims alone won't help. Finally some genius in our hierarchy understood that you can actually boost your anti terror operations narrative by showing selective targeting to minimize collateral damage while at the same time, not allow the other side to deny the same and paint it as targeting 'innocent civilians'

No idea what the current policy on their drones is, but they usually come in at night and do a very brief ingress a couple of minutes and gone. So ... maybe not having the time to shoot them?

Thanks. Hope you will reply to my query about why our drones are not taken out.

Regarding degrading their capabilities due to cross-border actions, does the degradation happen because of the costs of sustaining higher levels of preparedness?

 

[suryakiran]

Nope. Sorry. Can't. It does not exist and it stays that ways. Another 20 years ... maybe

cave fight?

 

[Hellfire]

Another Indian "Cheeni drone" bites the dust

View attachment 15227

Meanwhile, yet again we see no damage to its body .... so, again lost signal and fell or perhaps, a convenient 'kill'?

Meanwhile, as I had said earlier, PAF is as usual giving you guys a surprise day by leaving the skies for us to play with our UAVs.

Remember how you thought it was all imagination?

Well, just because we shut up, you guys think your jokers in uniforms are telling you the truth ..... picture is far from what is painted by them

And why did PA not retaliate to Indian 155 mm fire? Have you asked?

 

[Hellfire]

Thanks. Hope you will reply to my query about why our drones are not taken out.

@safriz perhaps you can answer this?

Regarding degrading their capabilities due to cross-border actions, does the degradation happen because of the costs of sustaining higher levels of preparedness?

yes

 

[thinkingcap81]

@safriz perhaps you can answer this?

Naughty reply baba...

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

@safriz perhaps you can answer this?



yes

Sir if PAF has really been pushed back in the depth , what is the harm in dropping
Spice Bombs on their Valuable Targets

Artillery causes limited damage on hard targets

Secondly they cannot Hide bombs being dropped , so all their false bravado of Feb 27 will be exposed

We must have mapped out the LY 80 positions , it is time to Light them up

 

[safriz]

Will this stop us from acquiring PoJ&K also ?

That's why I like coming to this website..
The Indian complex of grandeur and superiority is on a level with mental disease and funny at the same time

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

That's why I like coming to this website..
The Indian complex of grandeur and superiority is on a level with mental disease and funny at the same time

Still we are infinitely better than Zaid Hamid and Fawad Hussain

 

[safriz]

@safriz perhaps you can answer this?



yes

@safriz perhaps you can answer this?



yes

June 2002.
Searcher II UAV shot down by PAF.
Shooting down Indian UAV is nothing new to us.

IAF's Searcher-II Loss on June 07, 2002 - Vayu Sena

Still we are infinitely better than Zaid Hamid and Fawad Hussain

Always

 

[Gautam]

Punitive, Targetted Medium Field Artillery Fire-Assaults With PGMs

Saturday, April 11, 2020

The Indian Army (IA) on April 10, 2020 carried out its fifth punitive, targetted medium field artillery fire-assault (between last October and to date) against Pakistan Army (PA) field artillery and related administrative firm bases located across the LoC at Dudhnial in the Neelum Valley (34 41 58.21 N, 74 09 25.31 E) of the Keran sector.

This fire-assault was to avenge the deaths of five 4 Para-SF soldiers of the IA who were involved in an extremely close-quarter combat (under OP Rangduri Behak) with five heavily-armed Pakistani terrorists (who also were killed in the process) in the Keran sector on April 7. IA HQ, along with Lt Gen Yogesh Kumar Joshi General Officer-Commanding-in-Chief (GOC-in-C) of HQ Northern Command and Lt Gen B S Raju, GOC of the XV ‘Chinar’ Corps, had taken a very serious note of such losses suffered by the IA and thereafter it was decided to commence in a calibrated escalation of fire-assaults involving the usage of the newly-inducted M-777 ultralightweight 155mm/39-cal field howitzers and M982 Excalibur GPS-guided 155mm projectiles.

PA’s Administrative Base in Dudhnial

PA’s Field Artillery Base in Dudhnial

The IA conducted its first targetted medium field artillery fire-assault with the M-777/M982 Excalibur combination on October 20, 2019 in the Tangdhar sector of Kupwara district along the LoC by pounding areas in Pakistan’s Nauseri sector of Muzaffarabad district and its adjoining Jura sector in the Neelum Valley. While four terrorist launch-pads in the Neelum Valley were hit, launch-pads in Jura, Athamuqam and Kundalshahi were also decimated in the fire-assaults in the wee hours.

PA Gunpits at Sharda Peeth

This was followed by another similar fire-assault on December 4 in which four terrorist launch-pads were destroyed at Athmuqam in the neelum valley. The third fire-assault was carried out on December 26, 2019 in the Uri/Haji Pir sector to retaliate against the PA’s shelling of Baramulla’s Uri and Bandipora’s Gurez sectors in Jammu & Kashmir Union Territory. The fourth fire-assault took place in the Tangdhar and Poonch sectors on February 24 and 25, 2020.

IA’s Panzgam Field Artillery Base in Kupwara

IA’s Field Artillery Base at Keran

IA’s Field Artillery Base North of Tangdhar

The PA, however, is unlikely to cease its infiltration attempts anytime soon, since the bulk of its manpower deployments within PoK comprise irregular combatants. Pakistan’s ground forces deployment in what it calls AJK and Gilgit-Baltistan (together making up PoK) is 150,000 troops, but of this, only 22% belong to the PA and these comprise personnel serving with the Northern Light Infantry (NLI), plus other Regiments hailing from Pakistan's Punjab, Sindh and Balochistan provinces.

1 AK Brigade in Muzaffarabad

2 AK Brigade in Rawalakot

continued......

 

[Gautam]

3 AK Brigade in Tatta Pani, Kotli

4 AK Brigade in Bandli

The bulk of the combatants include the 60,000-strong Mujahid Force and the 40,000-strong Jaanbaaz Force that are not officially part of the PA’s ORBAT, but they nevertheless come under the command of the PA’s Rawalpindi HQed X Corps. Both the Mujahid Force and the Jaanbaaz Force exist as irregular combatants and owe allegiance to the ‘Azad Kashmir Regiment’, which has 32 Infantry Battalions distributed among 8 Brigades.

5 AK Brigade in Dhani

6 AK Brigade in Bagh

7 AK Brigade in Bhimber

32 AK Brigade in Kel

The 1 AK Brigade is located in Muzaffarabad, the 2 AK Brigade in Rawalakot, the 3 AK Brigade in Kotli (has an area of responsibility located opposite to the Rajouri, Poonch, Naushera and Sunderbani sectors), the 4 AK Brigade in Bandli, the 5 AK Brigade in Dhani, the 6 AK Brigade in Bagh, the 7 AK Brigade in Bhimber, and the 32 AK Brigade in Kel. The Mujahid Force comprises the 640, 641, 647, 652, 654, 655, 815, 834, 841, and 886 Battalions of the Pakistan Army. The 656 Battalion is the Mujahid Force Training Centre at Bhimber.

62 AK Brigade in Skardu

80 AK Brigade in Minimargh

323 AK Brigade in Dansum

The Gilgit-based HQ Force Commander Gilgit-Baltistan (FCGB) has under its command four Infantry Brigades—32 AK in Kel, 62 in Skardu, 80 in Minimarg, and 323 at Dansum. Back in 1999, the NLI had comprised of 14 Battalions (from 1 to 14). Since then, three more Battalions--15, 16 and 17 NLI—were raised. Of these, the 3, 4, 5 and 7 Battalions took part in the intrusions across the Batalik-Chorbat La-Turtuk sectors back in 1999. Elements of the 12 NLI occupied Tiger Hill and the Mushkoh Valley, while the 6 and 11 NLI were spread across the Drass-Tololing-Kaksar sectors. A 1993 study of the PA had showed the recruitment to the NLI from Gilgit to be at 55%, from Baltistan 35% and from other regions 10%. The ethnic composition of the NLI Battalions shows that they consist of 18% Sunnis, 49% Shias, 23% are Ismailees and 10% are Noor Bakshis.

Force Commander Gilgit-Baltistan (FCBG) HQ

TRISHUL: Punitive, Targetted Medium Field Artillery Fire-Assaults With PGMs

 

[Deathstar]

That's why I like coming to this website..
The Indian complex of grandeur and superiority is on a level with mental disease and funny at the same time

Bangladesh is a wholesome proof that it isnt a complex at all. U havent taken an inch yet your grandeur has no limits , whats up with that mental disease??
Despite the humiliation u got in Operation Gibraltar and Operation Meghdoot , u havent left your obsession isnt it?
Atleast we can back our rhetoric on breaking countries into pieces , what have u got?

 

[Deathstar]

June 2002.
Searcher II UAV shot down by PAF.
Shooting down Indian UAV is nothing new to us.
View attachment 15247

IAF's Searcher-II Loss on June 07, 2002 - Vayu Sena

Always

So whats up with cheap chinese knockoff drones u got with your free underwear masks calling it Indian?

 

[Hellfire]

@Gautam

No PGMS used.

 

[Hellfire]

June 2002.
Searcher II UAV shot down by PAF.
Shooting down Indian UAV is nothing new to us.

IAF's Searcher-II Loss on June 07, 2002 - Vayu Sena

Always

2002 -----> 2020 ..... numerals may be same, but 18 years?

anyways ... question was for your consumption. Perhaps you do know the answer, perhaps not. Either ways, for your consumption onlhy.

Why PAF's surprise day is characterized by withdrawal of PAF into depth?