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LX1111 said:
Didn't Pelosi go down live on the internet? Why would China use radar to locate her?
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Don't upset their fanboy fantasies. It's all they have.

The transponders are normally on, though the aircraft is given a false ID. Same as air force one, They would have logged the flight plan with the chinese. They would want no errors. The same as they advise Russia of official movement in Ukraine and such.
 
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Rajput Lion said:
lus, small size jets like Rafale, M-2000, Tejas are going to be extremely effective over
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You mean using the valley to infiltrate? This is important for both China and India, and independent air defence systems such as HQ-17 and Doyle are even more important in this context. An air defense system that can work with the Air Force's early warning aircraft is also important
 
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LX1111 said:
You mean using the valley to infiltrate? This is important for both China and India, and independent air defence systems such as HQ-17 and Doyle are even more important in this context. An air defense system that can work with the Air Force's early warning aircraft is also important
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True. But your airfields are at higher altitude than ours. So, we have all the advantages in both offense and defense.
 
Herciv said:

It is said that the surge mode is for 350 hours/month and 1000 hours / years much, much more than 10%. And these figures has been demonstrated.
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That's the total duration over the course of a month. The minimum requirement for the F-35 is 3/4 sorties a day for a minimum of 3 days. What it can really do is still unknownm probably even to the Pentagon. Its also unknown if the 3/4 sorties are at the limit of the combat radius as well. With lower radius, it should be able to manage more than that, no different from the Rafale.

The 10% is in reference to an increase per day. So apples and oranges.
 
Rajput Lion said:
True. But your airfields are at higher altitude than ours. So, we have all the advantages in both offense and defense.
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This should be China's biggest disadvantage, but China can fly from Yunnan, Sichuan, and Xinjiang airports instead of Tibet,
 
randomradio said:
That's the total duration over the course of a month. The minimum requirement for the F-35 is 3/4 sorties a day for a minimum of 3 days. What it can really do is still unknownm probably even to the Pentagon. Its also unknown if the 3/4 sorties are at the limit of the combat radius as well. With lower radius, it should be able to manage more than that, no different from the Rafale.

The 10% is in reference to an increase per day. So apples and oranges.
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So, if necessary, the 36 Rafales can manage over 12000 hours of flying all on their own in just 1 month. That's basically a Rafale flying about 12 hours a day for 30 days straight. That's 5 sorties a day, 2-2.5 hours each.

So a full squadron can perform surge operations of 90 sorties per day for a whole month. Not 3 days or 5 days, a whole friggin' month!!!

That's dope.
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"36 Rafales can manage over 12000 hours of flying all on their own in just 1 month. That's basically a Rafale flying about 12 hours a day for 30 days straight. "

Of course it can, live the dream. 1hr maintenance per flight hour.

I like Herciv magic numbers for the f-35 too. Australia must be lying about the hours, they say they fly. By god, he has found another conspiracy.
 
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Optimist said:
"36 Rafales can manage over 12000 hours of flying all on their own in just 1 month. That's basically a Rafale flying about 12 hours a day for 30 days straight. "

Of course it can, live the dream. 1hr maintenance per flight hour.

I like Herciv magic numbers for the f-35 too. Australia must be lying about the hours, they say they fly. By god, he has found another conspiracy.
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Rafale and F-35 don't play in the same league in terme of maintenance and flight hours. One is able of 350 hours/ month the other can perhaps be at 20 ?
 
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Optimist said:
Poor herciv, even his own quick facts links, calls him out.

Pic, Is 5.4 good for the F-35a? When all the add ons are builts in. After all these years and a simple aircraft in comparison, the Rafale is 8 hours, plus pods and add ons.

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350 hours have already been demonstrated by rafales. Try what you can. One is a warrior the other is something else but not a warrior.
 
So please post what the F-35a does on deployment. At max surge.
also what did you say the RAAF F-35, hours flown a year?

PS read it and weep. Your link says 5.4hrs for the f-35. That puts the Rafale at about 50% more maintenance. that's terribly isn't it? I can only imagine what you would say if it was the f-35.

Should we add this to the list of why the Rafale is a dog?
 
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LX1111 said:
This should be China's biggest disadvantage, but China can fly from Yunnan, Sichuan, and Xinjiang airports instead of Tibet,
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Rest assured that those airbases would be first target for Pralay. Topography is in India's favour and we'll not let this advantage slip away by allowing PLAAF to operate from these airfields.

At current state, PLAAF is more powerful and advance than IAF. Topography, training and tactics are in IAF's favour. All in all, despite all paper advantages, PLAAF would have hard time dealing with IAF over the Himalayas.
 
randomradio said:
So, if necessary, the 36 Rafales can manage over 12000 hours of flying all on their own in just 1 month. That's basically a Rafale flying about 12 hours a day for 30 days straight. That's 5 sorties a day, 2-2.5 hours each.

So a full squadron can perform surge operations of 90 sorties per day for a whole month. Not 3 days or 5 days, a whole friggin' month!!!

That's dope.
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I was going to let it pass, but you do know this is nonsense right? Even France's fleet would have serious issues, trying to sustain 36/12hr/30 days. India couldn't even get their whole 36 down the runway, elephant walk. at any one time.
 
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Rajput Lion said:
Rest assured that those airbases would be first target for Pralay. Topography is in India's favour and we'll not let this advantage slip away by allowing PLAAF to operate from these airfields.

At current state, PLAAF is more powerful and advance than IAF. Topography, training and tactics are in IAF's favour. All in all, despite all paper advantages, PLAAF would have hard time dealing with IAF over the Himalayas.
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Does India have any long-range strike capability? I don't know. Probably bought a few ballistic missiles from Israel, plus French cruise missiles,
The plateau is not only a disadvantage to China, China can set up a series of high mountain radar stations in the Himalayas, China can easily grasp the air information of the entire subcontinent, while India needs to fly the precious A-50 close to the battle line in order to see the information of Tibet. To fall within range of PL 21 and HQ-9B
 
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Does India have any long-range strike capability? I don't know. Probably bought a few ballistic missiles from Israel, plus French cruise missiles,
The plateau is not only a disadvantage to China, China can set up a series of high mountain radar stations in the Himalayas, China can easily grasp the air information of the entire subcontinent, while India needs to fly the precious A-50 close to the battle line in order to see the information of Tibet. To fall within range of PL 21 and HQ-9B
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We're creating a dedicated 'Rocket Force' specifically for that purpose. India currently has Prithvi tactical missiles and Brahmos. Pralay is the future version which is already ordered and very soon shall become operational. And no, it's pretty damn manoeuvrable. It's our Iskander equivalent.

A-50? Well, we're not going to put it in risk against those deadly PL-21s, especially when lack of AWACS is our biggest weakness. On the contrary, our airbases are on lower side, so our air defence and serveillance radars can look up and far, while your radars would need to look down. Our fighters like Rafale, Mirage-2000 are masters of sneaking through using fast and low flying using terrain masking. Mountains are going to come to our aid.


PS: This is one area where Rafale is better than F-35. Yes, F-35 has stealth, but trying to challenge J-20 would prove to be its downfall as it lacks the kinematics to do so. While Rafale just sneaks through and does it job with aplomb.
 
Optimist said:
I was going to let it pass, but you do know this is nonsense right? Even France's fleet would have serious issues, trying to sustain 36/12hr/30 days. India couldn't even get their whole 36 down the runway, elephant walk. at any one time.
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To keep up with 36/12 hours/30 days, it is enough to allocate 8 maintenance technicians per aircraft, i.e. about 500 technicians, to enable them to work at all hours. It would also be necessary to have the spare parts corresponding to 13,000 hours of flight, i.e. 6 months of activity of the French Air Force Rafale. It is certainly necessary to have an initial stock corresponding to one or two months of activity of the French air force and to organise a flow of spare parts 5 times more important than the usual flow. This is entirely within the reach of the French air force and is what we would do on a larger scale in the event of war.

We would stop the production of the Rafale, we would mobilize 1000 technicians from the Dassault Merignac assembly line who would be added to the 1000 from the air force, and we would use the parts available on this line (33 planes under construction when we are at rate 1 and 100 when we are at rate 3) as spare parts. What we would lack is rather the ammunition than the planes, but there is a programme financed by Europe to triple the production of ammunition.
 
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