Multi-Role Carrier Borne Fighter For The Indian Navy - Updates & Discussions

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One question:

If the Indian Navy selects 26 Rafale-M as the interim solution and in next 8-10 years they order a 100 TEDBF, will IN transfer the Rafale to the IAF? Also what will then happen to Mig-29K?
 
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Fatalis said:
One question:

If the Indian Navy selects 26 Rafale-M as the interim solution and in next 8-10 years they order a 100 TEDBF, will IN transfer the Rafale to the IAF? Also what will then happen to Mig-29K?
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Optimistically if the timeline is kept i.e. 8- 10 years that includes Prototypes, LSP/SP + Testing, and then with an order placed at the end - we need to add another at least 5 - 10 Years for induction and then commissioning of squadron strength frames

In the meantime, Rafale and MiG will have to do

It's possible that the MiGs will be relegated to shore bases to take over or compliments the Jags
 
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Boeing to stop making F/A-18 Super Hornets in 2025​

The production line could be extended to 2027 if the Indian Navy chooses the fighter aircraft.​


WASHINGTON — Boeing today announced it will finish production of new-build F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter aircraft in late 2025, closing out a line of aircraft that has been a staple of the US Navy’s fleet for four decades.

“We are planning for our future, and building fighter aircraft is in our DNA,” Steve Nordlund, Boeing Air Dominance vice president, said in a statement. “As we invest in and develop the next era of capability, we are applying the same innovation and expertise that made the F/A-18 a workhorse for the U.S. Navy and air forces around the world for nearly 40 years.”

A last minute extension to 2027 may occur if the Super Hornet is selected by the Indian Navy, the statement added.

The US Navy first started signaling its appetite to move away from the Super Hornet fleet in 2020 when the service proposed ending the production line by 2023 and shifting those funds toward researching its next-generation fighter.

Despite objections from lawmakers — some of whom noted the service’s ongoing strike fighter shortfall and others whose concerns were more parochial — the Navy has since stopped seeking new Super Hornets in its annual budget request.

While Boeing will sundown new production F/A-18s, the company expects to continue upgrading the current fleet as well as providing a service life modification program to the Navy, which will bring Block III capabilities to Block II planes. The company will also continue providing the advanced electronic attack capability associated with the EA-18G Growler modification.

That SLM program is integral to the Navy’s plan to overcome its strike fighter shortfall, which Chief Naval Officer Adm. Michael Gilday has said won’t be resolved until at least 2030.

In its statement announcing the production shutdown, Boeing also said it would build three facilities in St. Louis, which when combined with a facility in Arizona and the MQ-25 production facility at MidAmerica St. Louis Airport “represent more than a $1 billion investment.”

I don't think it would be a good deal for India to buy the last F-18​
 
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I know I won't get a sensible answer. When will it have GMTI, something the hornet had in the 1980's? There are other things as well. When do you think the Rafale will be at the same current capability of a block lll super hornet? It has been and will also be spiral updated for the life of the platform. It is the way the US does things. I think the last Super is well advanced of the Rafale today and tomorrow. However, I still think that India should buy the Rafale. Instead of introducing another platform.
 
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Picdelamirand-oil said:

Boeing to stop making F/A-18 Super Hornets in 2025​

The production line could be extended to 2027 if the Indian Navy chooses the fighter aircraft.​


WASHINGTON — Boeing today announced it will finish production of new-build F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter aircraft in late 2025, closing out a line of aircraft that has been a staple of the US Navy’s fleet for four decades.

“We are planning for our future, and building fighter aircraft is in our DNA,” Steve Nordlund, Boeing Air Dominance vice president, said in a statement. “As we invest in and develop the next era of capability, we are applying the same innovation and expertise that made the F/A-18 a workhorse for the U.S. Navy and air forces around the world for nearly 40 years.”

A last minute extension to 2027 may occur if the Super Hornet is selected by the Indian Navy, the statement added.

The US Navy first started signaling its appetite to move away from the Super Hornet fleet in 2020 when the service proposed ending the production line by 2023 and shifting those funds toward researching its next-generation fighter.

Despite objections from lawmakers — some of whom noted the service’s ongoing strike fighter shortfall and others whose concerns were more parochial — the Navy has since stopped seeking new Super Hornets in its annual budget request.

While Boeing will sundown new production F/A-18s, the company expects to continue upgrading the current fleet as well as providing a service life modification program to the Navy, which will bring Block III capabilities to Block II planes. The company will also continue providing the advanced electronic attack capability associated with the EA-18G Growler modification.

That SLM program is integral to the Navy’s plan to overcome its strike fighter shortfall, which Chief Naval Officer Adm. Michael Gilday has said won’t be resolved until at least 2030.

In its statement announcing the production shutdown, Boeing also said it would build three facilities in St. Louis, which when combined with a facility in Arizona and the MQ-25 production facility at MidAmerica St. Louis Airport “represent more than a $1 billion investment.”

I don't think it would be a good deal for India to buy the last F-18​
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Now we are in election year almost. Nothing will happen.

And like C17, by the time new government comes in and restarts the process, F18 production line will end.
 
Ankit Kumar said:
Now we are in election year almost. Nothing will happen.

And like C17, by the time new government comes in and restarts the process, F18 production line will end.
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If they drag their feet long enough. Australia will have 24 midlife, block lll supers for sale in 2030. 12 of them wired for Growler, India could use it to fit their own EW/EA
 
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Fatalis said:
One question:

If the Indian Navy selects 26 Rafale-M as the interim solution and in next 8-10 years they order a 100 TEDBF, will IN transfer the Rafale to the IAF? Also what will then happen to Mig-29K?
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Naturally not. The Rafale's necessary until it gets scrapped.

Mig-29K is necessary until end of life of Vikramaditya. So it's gonna get upgraded after 2025 and will stay in service until 2040 or so. The new carrier that's gonna be ordered soon will replace Vikramaditya between 2035-40.

So nothing's headed to the IAF.
 
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Ankit Kumar said:
Now we are in election year almost. Nothing will happen.

And like C17, by the time new government comes in and restarts the process, F18 production line will end.
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MRCBF will happen soon. The IN is in a hurry.

MRFA will begin this year as well, I'm hoping the RFP process finishes before elections so the file is transferred over to the IAF for evaluations.

This talk of delaying MRFA in order to secure another 36 jets for the IAF is unlikely to happen. At worst, it has to run in parallel, and that's very unlikely. This time, the IAF knows exactly what they want, so evaluations and L1 decision will happen really quickly. Even the OEMs are ready, unlike before.
 
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I know I won't get a sensible answer. When will it have GMTI, something the hornet had in the 1980's? There are other things as well. When do you think the Rafale will be at the same current capability of a block lll super hornet? It has been and will also be spiral updated for the life of the platform. It is the way the US does things. I think the last Super is well advanced of the Rafale today and tomorrow. However, I still think that India should buy the Rafale. Instead of introducing another platform.
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The Mirages 2000 also have the GMTI since the 80's, if the Rafale didn't have it it was because it wasn't important, the Americans do everything it is possible to do and the French do what is most useful to their mission and over time add less useful functions according to their order of priority. The result is that at the beginning the American system is very complex and doesn't work unlike the French system. Anyway, now the Indian Rafales already have the GMTI and it will be introduced on the French Rafales with F4.1. And there is no function of the F-18 SH that makes the Rafale owners envious.
 
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