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That is just a sophisticated way of saying that WS-10 didn't generate the same thrust as AL-31 for safe recovery/fly-by before landing on a carrier deck.

There were/are corrosion issues when exposed to maritime conditions. WS-10 was never designed for sea-based ops anyway so no surprises there
To the surprise of most Indians, the thrust at sea level Ws10 is slightly greater than al 31
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Is that why you bought a grand total of 24 Su-35 even when your J-20 was going into series production and all your domestic engine programs were doing oh so well?

Would you enlighten us on some specs like TET, MTBF, MTBO of your latest engines?
China signed the purchase of the Su-35 in 2015, the J-20 is four years away from the official mass delivery, and the WS-10 mass production delivery is only five years away, it is difficult to say that all engine projects are progressing smoothly.
And what happened after that? The Doklam standoff in 2017 and the South China Sea arbitration case in 2016. In 2016, Taiwan's DPP Party came to power for the third time. Faced with so many possible war opportunities, China needs to buy the Su-35 to fill the gap before the new generation of fighters enter service
 
There were/are corrosion issues when exposed to maritime conditions. WS-10 was never designed for sea-based ops anyway so no surprises there
China has deployed a large number of J-11B on islands in the South China Sea, and they face much more severe tests in the tropical combat environment than on the aircraft carrier, but they still use the WS10 engine
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the surprise of most Indians, the thrust at sea level Ws10 is slightly greater than al 31
Depends on what version we're talking about. The basic version certainly didn't match AL-31 thrust levels.

No wonder J-15 was still flying on Russian origin engines until recently, despite J-10/11 having moved on to WS-10.

You claim to have reverse engineered the Su-27 into J-11 and MKK into J-16. You couldn't have stopped at just the airframe. You copied the engine too.

Only your copy wasn't as good as the original.

How does the WS-10 MTBF and MTBO compare to AL-31? Any independent sources you can quote?
 
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the surprise of most Indians, the thrust at sea level Ws10 is slightly greater than al 31
Depends on what version we're talking about. The basic version certainly didn't match AL-31 thrust levels.

No wonder J-15 was still flying on Russian origin engines until recently, despite J-10/11 having moved on to WS-10.

You claim to have reverse engineered the Su-27 into J-11 and MKK into J-16. You couldn't have stopped at just the airframe. You copied the engine too.

Only your copy wasn't as good as the original.
How does the WS-10 MTBF and MTBO compare to AL-31? Any independent sources you can quote?

China needs to buy the Su-35 to fill the gap before the new generation of fighters enter service
Any yet you bought less than 2 full squadrons of Su-35s offering broadly similar performance to the dozens of MKK you were already flying and J-16 that was also coming online.

You didn't think Taiwan was going to invade you in that short timeframe, did you?
 
What real use are these temporary flat-spins in combat?
No useful, the future air combat should pay more attention to supersonic and transonic segments, more conducive to BVR combat, low altitude and low speed stage maneuverability is not useful, but the flight show is really beautiful
 
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What real use are these temporary flat-spins in combat?
This shows a high degree of mastery of the FCS, which means that, like the Rafale, they are capable of dynamically adjusting the instability of the aircraft and therefore never have a centre of gravity problem, whatever the loads attached to or detached from the aircraft.
 
I have seen multiple Su-34s performing this same manoeuvre whilst on fire during the last 3 years. I guess it doesn't hurt to practise it in training.
 
I have seen multiple Su-34s performing this same manoeuvre whilst on fire during the last 3 years. I guess it doesn't hurt to practise it in training.
It's probably due to the fact that for some strange reason the Russkies think the Prince of Wales AC is an engineering feat - something worthy of emulation .

Why ? I've no idea.
 
What real use are these temporary flat-spins in combat?
Hmm, good question, & some members gave good answers. It is something like comparing many Martial Arts & hand weapons.
Sukhois do it, F-22 also does it, so their pilots can tell best.
IDK if EF-2000, Rafale, F-15, F-16, F-18 can do it, but as long as these jet exist, a TVC jet will have advantage over them.
IMO, such maneuver could be useful only when certain conditions are met:
- against non-TVC jet when they have made a vertical dive or an angled U-turn not exactly horizontal & their turning radius is bigger.
- LOAL CCM is not used.
- CCM has limited off-boresight capability.
- CCMs are depleted & it is a gun-fight.
- Bcoz depending only on control surfaces the jet becomes slow, so a sideways TVC would be better.
 
On April 10, 2024, the Su-57 performed a significant milestone by completing its maiden flight with a new engine specifically designed for this cutting-edge military aircraft. The test flight lasted approximately 17 minutes and was piloted by Sergey Bogdan, the chief pilot of the Sukhoi company. This successful flight marks a crucial step in demonstrating the capabilities of Russian aircraft builders to develop advanced systems.The new engines, referred to as ‘Product 30,’ are touted as an entirely new design that enhances the performance of the Su-57. Although detailed specifications of the Product 30 engines remain limited, their development is expected to significantly improve the aircraft's operational capabilities.

Design and Features​

The Su-57 boasts several innovative features that set it apart from previous generations of fighter jets:
  • Composite Materials: The airframe is constructed primarily from composite materials, which reduce weight and enhance durability while contributing to stealth capabilities.
  • Advanced Avionics: Equipped with modern radar and avionics systems, the Su-57 is designed for superior situational awareness and combat effectiveness.
  • Internal Armament Bays: To minimize its radar cross-section and reduce drag, the Su-57 houses its main armament in internal bays. This design choice is critical for maintaining stealth during operations.
  • Armament Capabilities: The primary armament includes a recently modernized 30mm autocannon along with air-to-air missiles. The aircraft can also carry additional weapons on external pylons if necessary.

Economic and Strategic Implications​

The estimated price tag for each Su-57 fighter jet is around $50 million. This investment reflects Russia's strategic focus on enhancing its military capabilities amid evolving global security dynamics. The Russian Airspace Forces were expected to begin receiving their first Su-57 fighters in 2018, indicating a commitment to modernizing their fleet.The Su-57's introduction aligns with broader military objectives, including enhancing aerial combat capabilities and ensuring that Russia remains competitive against other fifth-generation fighters like the American F-35.

Historical Context​

The Su-57 first took to the skies in 2010 and has since undergone extensive testing and refinement. Its appearance at the MAKS2017 airshow captured global attention when it performed impressive aerial maneuvers that showcased its agility and advanced engineering.
 
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Hmm, good question, & some members gave good answers. It is something like comparing many Martial Arts & hand weapons.
Sukhois do it, F-22 also does it, so their pilots can tell best.
IDK if EF-2000, Rafale, F-15, F-16, F-18 can do it, but as long as these jet exist, a TVC jet will have advantage over them.
IMO, such maneuver could be useful only when certain conditions are met:
- against non-TVC jet when they have made a vertical dive or an angled U-turn not exactly horizontal & their turning radius is bigger.
- LOAL CCM is not used.
- CCM has limited off-boresight capability.
- CCMs are depleted & it is a gun-fight.
- Bcoz depending only on control surfaces the jet becomes slow, so a sideways TVC would be better.

He's being sarcastic.