Rafale is a 4th gen plane, and no matter how many tech you put, its starts with a design flaw, where its designed mainly as strike plane and no matter what, it wont be stealthy as Su-57 because Su-57 is designed with stealth in mind. Sorry Rafale..
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Russia thinks its new advanced fighter jet in Syria will scare off other countries - but nobody's afraid of it
Russia deployed two Su-57 advanced fighter jets to Syria in a move widelyseen as a marketing ploy for the troubled plane that's struggled to attract international investment , but they recently hinted at another purpose behind the deployment.
The Times of Israel reports that Russia gave a "covert warning" to the Jewish state by saying the Su-57 will serve as a deterrent "for aircraft from neighboring states, which periodically fly into Syrian airspace uninvited."
The veiled warning comes after Israel and Syria had a heated air battlewith Syrian air defenses downing an Israeli F-16. Israel said that it took out half of Syria's air defenses in return.
In an opinion piece in the New York Times, Ronan Bergman reportedthat Israel planned a larger response to Syria's downing of their jet, but a "furious phone call" between Russian President Vladimir Putin, Syria's ally, and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
But whatever the two heads of state said on the phone, it's unlikely the Su-57 had anything to do with it. The Su-57, as it is today, doesn't pose a threat to Western fighters despite being Russia's newest and most advanced fighter jet. It awaits a pair of new engines and has significant problems flying and releasing bombs at supersonic speeds.
"I don't think anyone is too worried about a kinetic threat from Su-57s over Syria in its current state," Justin Bronk, a combat aviation expert at the Royal United Services Institute, told Business Insider.
Bronk pointed to problems with the Su-57 integrating its radar into data the pilot can actually use in the cockpit, and difficulties in getting the jet to drop bombs properly, calling it "far from combat ready."
Though the Su-57's advanced and "innovative" radar set up could pose a threat to US stealth aircraft like the F-22, also operating in Syria, by scoping out its radar signatures and helping inform future battle plans, it's just not ready for a fight with Israel, the US, or even Turkey.
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Russia thinks its new advanced fighter jet in Syria will scare off other countries - but nobody's afraid of it
- Russia said its recent deployment of two of its new Su-57 fighter jets to Syria would scare off other countries from flying their planes in Syrian airspace.
- But the Su-57 is a long way from being combat ready, and it's unreasonable to think the US, Israel, or Turkey would be deterred from operations in Syria by two of the unproven jets.
- Russian officials also said the deployment would be a good chance to test out the jet in combat conditions, but experts told Business Insider that the plane is designed for high-flying air-to-air combat, not bombing near-defenseless ground targets, which is Russia's declared mission in Syria.
Russia deployed two Su-57 advanced fighter jets to Syria in a move widelyseen as a marketing ploy for the troubled plane that's struggled to attract international investment , but they recently hinted at another purpose behind the deployment.
The Times of Israel reports that Russia gave a "covert warning" to the Jewish state by saying the Su-57 will serve as a deterrent "for aircraft from neighboring states, which periodically fly into Syrian airspace uninvited."
The veiled warning comes after Israel and Syria had a heated air battlewith Syrian air defenses downing an Israeli F-16. Israel said that it took out half of Syria's air defenses in return.
In an opinion piece in the New York Times, Ronan Bergman reportedthat Israel planned a larger response to Syria's downing of their jet, but a "furious phone call" between Russian President Vladimir Putin, Syria's ally, and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
But whatever the two heads of state said on the phone, it's unlikely the Su-57 had anything to do with it. The Su-57, as it is today, doesn't pose a threat to Western fighters despite being Russia's newest and most advanced fighter jet. It awaits a pair of new engines and has significant problems flying and releasing bombs at supersonic speeds.
"I don't think anyone is too worried about a kinetic threat from Su-57s over Syria in its current state," Justin Bronk, a combat aviation expert at the Royal United Services Institute, told Business Insider.
Bronk pointed to problems with the Su-57 integrating its radar into data the pilot can actually use in the cockpit, and difficulties in getting the jet to drop bombs properly, calling it "far from combat ready."
Though the Su-57's advanced and "innovative" radar set up could pose a threat to US stealth aircraft like the F-22, also operating in Syria, by scoping out its radar signatures and helping inform future battle plans, it's just not ready for a fight with Israel, the US, or even Turkey.
A commercial for a struggling Russian military export?
Russia thinks its new advanced fighter jet in Syria will scare off other countries - but nobody's afraid of it
I think everyone has got it wrong
It is true that Su-57 is not combat ready, but to find its limitations and what the pilots need would be best known by flying and much better when field testing. Thus sending two Su-57 makes perfect sense,
Remember ISIS or the FSA dont have an Air force, the only planes that are flying are the Russians and their western competitors, thus it makes a good place for the Russians to try their planes and weapons, specially in hot climate of middle east. after all it could be one of the market.
This could be more to find what changed the fighter pilots might need for Su-57 to be the top flight plane, and also the Russians are incorporating a lot of new weapons, so the Russians get to test it and get realistic parameters in action
Further with the two units there, they can build up the database by scanning other avionics there and build up their threat librarires which can be used to track their competitors in future like F-22 and F-35. For the Russians the Rafales are insignificant and you might see Rafale flying further away to avoid any sort of confrontation.
Thus this helps Russians to highlight the planes to the Syrians and Iranians, also they get to test their weapons, and also build up their threat libraries and importantly, they get a good way to develop tactics for this new combat plane. specially in 2 V 2 or 2 v 8 situations.
So its not really desperation that the Russians brought it there but to market it, also remember the planes in Syria are with the older engine and not Item 30 engines
It is true that Su-57 is not combat ready, but to find its limitations and what the pilots need would be best known by flying and much better when field testing. Thus sending two Su-57 makes perfect sense,
Remember ISIS or the FSA dont have an Air force, the only planes that are flying are the Russians and their western competitors, thus it makes a good place for the Russians to try their planes and weapons, specially in hot climate of middle east. after all it could be one of the market.
This could be more to find what changed the fighter pilots might need for Su-57 to be the top flight plane, and also the Russians are incorporating a lot of new weapons, so the Russians get to test it and get realistic parameters in action
Further with the two units there, they can build up the database by scanning other avionics there and build up their threat librarires which can be used to track their competitors in future like F-22 and F-35. For the Russians the Rafales are insignificant and you might see Rafale flying further away to avoid any sort of confrontation.
Thus this helps Russians to highlight the planes to the Syrians and Iranians, also they get to test their weapons, and also build up their threat libraries and importantly, they get a good way to develop tactics for this new combat plane. specially in 2 V 2 or 2 v 8 situations.
So its not really desperation that the Russians brought it there but to market it, also remember the planes in Syria are with the older engine and not Item 30 engines
One question. Do Russian need a 5th generation plane to build signature libraries for F22 and F35 ?
Knowing the track record of russian planes there is no doubt about future of SU-57. It will be an awesome plane in next 5-10years but it's more of a paper plane as of now with most of main sub systems still under development.
Knowing the track record of russian planes there is no doubt about future of SU-57. It will be an awesome plane in next 5-10years but it's more of a paper plane as of now with most of main sub systems still under development.
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Let us buy more more SU-30MKI and Rafale two seaters, We will not have pilots to fly even half of the fleet. Thanks to Russian Junk, a fighter pilot is considered a spent force. When I got married, Many a families refused to marry their daughters to me because I was a Naval Officer and that too a fighter pilot. Its like karela aur neem chadha.
The aircraft aren't the problem, the salaries are. Pilots should be getting a lot more than they are now.
The 7th Pay Commission has helped, but it's not enough.
Do you know how much US marines make? If salary is the only criteria, US defence forces would have been empty long time back.
My daughter is a spend thrift, just like any other very loved and spoiled daughter. I give her back every month what the Govt takes away as taxes from her salary . LOL.
They have a lot of new hardware, specially sensors, and the sensors will need more updated libraries, The USA has put their F-22 and the Israelis have their F-35, those are the planes that they could be fielded in the future. These are the 5th gen planes, the 4th gen planes can be handled by the likes os Su-30 SM
You can call paper plane if its just on paper, that might be LCA MK2 or AMCA. but here Su-57 flies, It is not yet having the engine that would make it more capable, but even without it, it is more than formidable, But whats wrong to do some testing with still some new technologies to come in future. Also if you see how F-22 was and how it is now there are lot of changes based on pilots feedbacks, The Russians would prefer to fly them into some action and then the pilots would give the feedback about maybe the handling, avionics, weapons etc. That might also help to develop tactics for the planes. Also they can update their avionics library, and this is not unheard of. Also they might test their passive sensors how good they are and if they would need upgrades to make them better.
The most important part that is pending is Item 30 engine, while most other avionics are already up and running.
Just to compare the attitude of RuAF vs IAF. I find the RuAF attitude better as they are flying and testing the plane and help it develop, where as IAF wants to just have the final product, they do not want to accept as its being developed, The involvement of RuAF in development is much more than IAF has in tejas
You can call paper plane if its just on paper, that might be LCA MK2 or AMCA. but here Su-57 flies, It is not yet having the engine that would make it more capable, but even without it, it is more than formidable, But whats wrong to do some testing with still some new technologies to come in future. Also if you see how F-22 was and how it is now there are lot of changes based on pilots feedbacks, The Russians would prefer to fly them into some action and then the pilots would give the feedback about maybe the handling, avionics, weapons etc. That might also help to develop tactics for the planes. Also they can update their avionics library, and this is not unheard of. Also they might test their passive sensors how good they are and if they would need upgrades to make them better.
The most important part that is pending is Item 30 engine, while most other avionics are already up and running.
Just to compare the attitude of RuAF vs IAF. I find the RuAF attitude better as they are flying and testing the plane and help it develop, where as IAF wants to just have the final product, they do not want to accept as its being developed, The involvement of RuAF in development is much more than IAF has in tejas
5th-gen Russian Su-57 fighters performed 2 days of combat tests in Syria – Defense Minister
Following media speculation about Russia’s fifth-generation Su-57 fighter jets, Russia’s defense minister has confirmed two were deployed for tests in Syria. However, they were there for just two days for combat and other tests.
“They really were there. Not for long, just two days. Over this time they conducted a trial program, including a combat trial,” Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu told journalists on Thursday.
“There were two jets which were accompanied by laboratory aircraft, and planes which monitored the work of weapon systems.”
Earlier reports based on footage of the aircraft in Syria and interpretation of Israeli satellite images claimed four Su-57th were deployed to the Russian airbase Khmeimim.
“I can tell you that the trial was successful. The planes have returned hope a week ago,” Shoigu added. “As for the photos, which had been published – I don’t know where they came from. The planes were inside hangars all the time [when parked].”
READ MORE: Su-57’s debut? Video claims to show Russia’s 5th-gen jets in action over Syria
The minister added that the full trial program of the advanced aircraft will be completed this year.
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5th-gen Russian Su-57 fighters performed 2 days of combat tests in Syria – Defense Minister
Following media speculation about Russia’s fifth-generation Su-57 fighter jets, Russia’s defense minister has confirmed two were deployed for tests in Syria. However, they were there for just two days for combat and other tests.
“They really were there. Not for long, just two days. Over this time they conducted a trial program, including a combat trial,” Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu told journalists on Thursday.
“There were two jets which were accompanied by laboratory aircraft, and planes which monitored the work of weapon systems.”
Earlier reports based on footage of the aircraft in Syria and interpretation of Israeli satellite images claimed four Su-57th were deployed to the Russian airbase Khmeimim.
“I can tell you that the trial was successful. The planes have returned hope a week ago,” Shoigu added. “As for the photos, which had been published – I don’t know where they came from. The planes were inside hangars all the time [when parked].”
READ MORE: Su-57’s debut? Video claims to show Russia’s 5th-gen jets in action over Syria
The minister added that the full trial program of the advanced aircraft will be completed this year.
DETAILS TO FOLLOW
5th-gen Russian Su-57 fighters performed 2 days of combat tests in Syria – Defense Minister
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Su57 looks really sexy from front
I really wish India goes for it. Su 57 & 30 in heavy categories, AMCA & rafale in mid and Light filled with LCA 1&2. Would be Awesome.
I really wish India goes for it. Su 57 & 30 in heavy categories, AMCA & rafale in mid and Light filled with LCA 1&2. Would be Awesome.
Would there be a possibility that the Russians might convince India for taking design of Storm Carrier and also give Naval Su-57 along with that deal? Just have a tinkling
If you don't design a plane with a naval variant in mind, you're either going to have to get REALLY lucky with the design, or spend insane amounts of money to modify it and in all likely hood end up with an inferior product to a clean sheet design. Naval F-15 was considered for like a year before they said *censored* that.
I dont believe NDTV. Nirmala has not even met the russian counterparts and the report said they will talk about PAKFA when they meet this time.
1st images of 10th flying Su-57 prototype T-50-10