Pakistan AirForce : Updates & Discussions

[vstol Jockey]

First ever JF-17 BVR test against a target drone, in February 2018.

Very funny BVR shot. You can see the target drone plume at the rear and also the smoke trail of the so called BVR missile while it is engaging the drone. Most likely it was a WVR shot for the spectators seated below and fired from a distance no more than 2-2.5kms from the drone and that too from exact rear of the drone.

 

[safriz]

Very funny BVR shot. You can see the target drone plume at the rear and also the smoke trail of the so called BVR missile while it is engaging the drone. Most likely it was a WVR shot for the spectators seated below and fired from a distance no more than 2-2.5kms from the drone and that too from exact rear of the drone.

Whatever floats your boat.

 

[randomradio]

Very funny BVR shot. You can see the target drone plume at the rear and also the smoke trail of the so called BVR missile while it is engaging the drone. Most likely it was a WVR shot for the spectators seated below and fired from a distance no more than 2-2.5kms from the drone and that too from exact rear of the drone.

Whatever floats your boat.

It is a low altitude shot, so definitely WVR.

You won't that kinda image clarity and resolution from the ground when you are looking at medium to high altitudes. The explosion would just be a blip then.

 

[vstol Jockey]

Whatever floats your boat.

You are up against a retd fighter pilot. Please keep that in mind. You can fool others but not me.

 

[safriz]

You are up against a retd fighter pilot. Please keep that in mind. You can fool others but not me.

Sure.
The target drone was fired from the location of the ceremony.
Thunder was far away and the video of thunder firing the missile was made from another aircraft. Probably an ASELPOD .
The distance obviously could not be the full 80 km, it has to be less as the target size is far smaller than a fighter jet.
Its not fooling anyone. Its common sense.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Sure.
The target drone was fired from the location of the ceremony.
Thunder was far away and the video of thunder firing the missile was made from another aircraft. Probably an ASELPOD .
The distance obviously could not be the full 80 km, it has to be less as the target size is far smaller than a fighter jet.
Its not fooling anyone. Its common sense.

Your FOUR JF 17s Were stopped by TWO
Mirage 2000s on Feb 27

They ie JF 17s were afraid of the MICA

At least the F 16 tried to come close to the LOC to drop the LGB

Neither they fired any BVR nor any LGB

 

[safriz]

Your FOUR JF 17s Were stopped by TWO
Mirage 2000s on Feb 27

They ie JF 17s were afraid of the MICA

At least the F 16 tried to come close to the LOC to drop the LGB

Neither they fired any BVR nor any LGB

Again
Whatever floats your boat

 

[randomradio]

Thunder was far away and the video of thunder firing the missile was made from another aircraft. Probably an ASELPOD .

No chance of that happening. The missile would home into the fighter jet instead.

You can't expect chase aircraft for such tests. You will have to be at least 15-25 Km away from the target just to avoid a seeker lock on. And I doubt PAF is going to release zoomed in footage of a military sensor, those are classified. And definitely now from a lower angle, where the jet will be more vulnerable.

This is a ground captured film.

 

[safriz]

No chance of that happening. The missile would home into the fighter jet instead.

You can't expect chase aircraft for such tests. You will have to be at least 15-25 Km away from the target just to avoid a seeker lock on. And I doubt PAF is going to release zoomed in footage of a military sensor, those are classified. And definitely now from a lower angle, where the jet will be more vulnerable.

This is a ground captured film.

No.
SD-10 has data link.
You Are talking about much older missiles.

 

[randomradio]

No.
SD-10 has data link.
You Are talking about much older missiles.

Datalink won't matter. No one's even gonna risk a chase aircraft during an active missile test. There's no point in doing that anyway. You need radar data.

And generally, the target drone has a camera that captures its last moments.

That camera shot was from the ground and the interception happened at a very low altitude. And as pointed by Vstol already, the interception happened within the first 10 seconds of the missile being fired, since the booster plume is easily visible. During cruise, the plume is not that bright.

 

[safriz]

Datalink won't matter. No one's even gonna risk a chase aircraft during an active missile test. There's no point in doing that anyway. You need radar data.

And generally, the target drone has a camera that captures its last moments.

That camera shot was from the ground and the interception happened at a very low altitude. And as pointed by Vstol already, the interception happened within the first 10 seconds of the missile being fired, since the booster plume is easily visible. During cruise, the plume is not that bright.

Sure. But the weapon is inducated and being regularly used in CAP missions.

 

[randomradio]

Sure. But the weapon is inducated and being regularly used in CAP missions.

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Sure. Just surprised that LCA and JF-17 received their BVR missiles in the same year.

 

[safriz]

Sure. Just surprised that LCA and JF-17 received their BVR missiles in the same year.

The difference is that LCA is not on a CAP mission yet.

 

[Patriots]

The difference is that LCA is not on a CAP mission yet.

How did you know that Tejas is not in a cap because it's not in media
Rumour s are there that Tejas was deployed at forward bases

 

[randomradio]

The difference is that LCA is not on a CAP mission yet.

Done and dusted long ago. Back in 2018 itself.

 

[Arsalan123]

27th will be Kargil some 10 years later when your government will even partially accept that what happened.

By the way we actually went inside your airspace and bombed and killed your "strategic assets". What happened on 27th was a disaster for PAF pilots more than their equipment.

By the way if the capability is so good , where is Raad on JF17??? Outside your wet dreams kid.

Kindly go back to feb27 thread and read comments of your own countrymen.india has this capability to paint defeat into victory after months or years through a perception that doesn't exist outside India. Lol I remember people were talking about Geneva convention and taking back revenge of feb27. That sums up everything.

Even if there was, they won't admit it.

The only thing which matters is that despite having such a big attack formation backed by SAAB Eyre and ZDK03 and Il78 refuellers, they fired dozens of Aams and guided munitions without even proper targetting while running away and never crossing into against a very small IAF formation.

If only the same IAF formation had different RoE, our Su30MKI would have Eyre, ZDK03, IL78 and F16AM/BM kill marks on them.

Ask iaf to make helicopter crash report public and allow investigation team from outside India to carry out investigation. One su-30, one mig,one helicopter. Fox 3 bro.

 

[Arsalan123]

Your FOUR JF 17s Were stopped by TWO
Mirage 2000s on Feb 27

They ie JF 17s were afraid of the MICA

At least the F 16 tried to come close to the LOC to drop the LGB

Neither they fired any BVR nor any LGB

Can you explain why su-30s and mirages turned cold? There was a news that f-16 shot down over rajouri. We went deep. Helicopter crash or shot down? Ask your airforce.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

Kindly go back to feb27 thread and read comments of your own countrymen.india has this capability to paint defeat into victory after months or years through a perception that doesn't exist outside India. Lol I remember people were talking about Geneva convention and taking back revenge of feb27. That sums up everything.

Ask iaf to make helicopter crash report public and allow investigation team from outside India to carry out investigation. One su-30, one mig,one helicopter. Fox 3 bro.

Unlike Pakistan, we acknowledge our dead. Nothing else remains to be said.

Ofcourse we still have communists in our nation, so obviously there will be Indians believing in falsehood.

Doesn't change the fact a couple of Su30MKI took on pretty much all of the PAF flying that day. Sums up the difference in capabilities and capacity.

 

[AbRaj]

Why the "first ever"?

First User trial

Whatever floats your boat.

Maybe it was intentional for better visualisation. It was an airshow not an actual test at bvr range. But clearly he is right on both accounts.

 

[Arsalan123]

Unlike Pakistan, we acknowledge our dead. Nothing else remains to be said.

Ofcourse we still have communists in our nation, so obviously there will be Indians believing in falsehood.

Doesn't change the fact a couple of Su30MKI took on pretty much all of the PAF flying that day. Sums up the difference in capabilities and capacity.

When you run out of arguments,you always go back to kargil and 71. This is what you do everytime. Anyway an outside world also exists which don't see neither capacity or capability of iaf.your airforce has 5times more budget than paf. I hope one day you will wake up and read articles of BBC and cnn. Everything is available to you but everyone knows you will watch times now.