Pakistan AirForce : Updates & Discussions

Offer by CATIC to the Argentine Air Force for 12 JF-17 aircraft
  • 12 JF-17 Block III aircraft (2 of them being 2 seater for training)
  • Provision for each aircraft to have refueling probe
  • Replacement of the Martin Baker Ejection seat for a chinese made HTY-5D
  • Provision of WVR and BVR missiles
  • Assembly of them being in AMACUAR (center of maintenance for combat aircraft of the Argentine Air Force)
  • Price per aircraft of 50M U$
  • Total deal Price of 600M U$
 
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Offer by CATIC to the Argentine Air Force for 12 JF-17 aircraft
  • 12 JF-17 Block III aircraft (2 of them being 2 seater for training)
  • Provision for each aircraft to have refueling probe
  • Replacement of the Martin Baker Ejection seat for a chinese made HTY-5D
  • Provision of WVR and BVR missiles
  • Assembly of them being in AMACUAR (center of maintenance for combat aircraft of the Argentine Air Force)
  • Price per aircraft of 50M U$
  • Total deal Price of 600M U$
5Omillion USD 🤔🤔🤔. It is as costly LCA.
 
Likewise Pakistan has the complete facilities, expertise , blueprints and contract from original manufacturer, for manufacturing and exporting Agosta-90B Khalid class, submarines.
That never happened and probably won't. But if it does happen, it will depend on the contract at the time that who does what.
Pakistan will produce the structure. Software will be French and so will be the AIP. Or may be the buyer wants their own Software integration and a different AIP.
For example Pakistani Agosta Khalid class operate Solaris OS.

Point being, these contracts are complex and things change.
 
Likewise Pakistan has the complete facilities, expertise , blueprints and contract from original manufacturer, for manufacturing and exporting Agosta-90B Khalid class, submarines.
That never happened and probably won't. But if it does happen, it will depend on the contract at the time that who does what.
Pakistan will produce the structure. Software will be French and so will be the AIP. Or may be the buyer wants their own Software integration and a different AIP.
For example Pakistani Agosta Khalid class operate Solaris OS.

Point being, these contracts are complex and things change.
Does Pakistan do their own forging and extrusions? Where are these facilities?

India only started doing over 10,000Tn in the last decade.

Basic application of these can be found in automobile industry Or having a mature steel industry.

Both of which Pakistan does not have. So, its a very genuine qn.
 
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Does Pakistan do their own forging and extrusions? Where are these facilities?

India only started doing over 10,000Tn in the last decade.

Basic application of these can be found in automobile industry Or having a mature steel industry.

Both of which Pakistan does not have. So, its a very genuine qn.
For us it's cheaper to import.
Mainly due to high electricity costs and unreliable supply.
Things were better in the 60s and 70s, even in the 80s,when we had all those industries.
We used to export ships to China.
Had a home grown automobile industry, although with crude product.
But everything was home made, including the engine.
Trucks too. Yasoob trucks were home made.

But we as a nation have a habit of moving backwards.
 
There's a separate thread for Kashmir I guess?
However no matter what happens, our claim on Kashmir isn't going away.
Thank you.

The pleasure is all ours

To see how This Kashmir Obsession will take Pakistan to its "Rightful Place "

By the Way Gen Bajwa recently called a meeting of senior Journalists and Analysts and told them that Pakistan will have to freeze Kashmir issue for at least 20 years because the Current policy is unsustainable
 
The pleasure is all ours

To see how This Kashmir Obsession will take Pakistan to its "Rightful Place "

By the Way Gen Bajwa recently called a meeting of senior Journalists and Analysts and told them that Pakistan will have to freeze Kashmir issue for at least 20 years because the Current policy is unsustainable





 
There's a separate thread for Kashmir I guess?
However no matter what happens, our claim on Kashmir isn't going away.
Thank you.
Bhutto once said Pakistan will eat grass but will make atom bomb....
And by God his words did came true. Pakistanis are eating grass ....
Now your golden words... Kashmir isn't going away....
And by God Kashmir isn't going away from India but Pakistan will become Chinese state with the debt Pakistan owe all due to its Kashmir obsession.....😊😊
 
JF-17 thunders in Turkiye for attending Antolian eagle exercise alongside Qatari Rafale.
This will be a great chance for PAF to assess Rafale combat capabilities and plan accordingly.
 
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Yes, most of them are all technical problems, that's what makes it difficult for Pakistan. And none of those have been taken care of yet.

For example, to deal with the first and fourth problems, you need something else, not the JF-17. For the second and third problems, you need European tech, since you do not have your own indigenous industry to compensate. For the fifth problem, you need a larger budget, or material aid from someone else. For the sixth problem you need to give it a lot of time, perhaps a decade at the minimum. For the seventh problem, you do not have the R&D capability to deal with it, you are after all dealing with closed systems from two different countries.

Basically, none of these problems can be solved by PAF or Pakistan anytime soon. Someone else has to solve them all. Until you solve all seven problems, the PAF is incapable of fighting India even today let alone in 2024, when all the Block IIIs are inducted. And as time passes, the gap will only keep increasing. Your first and fourth problems are the most critical and neither of them can be solved by the JF-17, you need a high end jet.

India faced three of these seven problems until a few years ago. Since then 1 problem has been solved, while two are being implemented. Even we faced the first problem, it's actually a global problem, but is being implemented. Then, there's the fifth problem, but that's with respect to China, not Pakistan, and is being implemented.

Fast forward to 2025, when all the JF-17 B3s have finished induction, PAF will still be facing those 7 problems, while India will have none of them.

China is currently facing the third and sixth problems, but are being implemented.



The realities are different from what you have pictured. Even Gripen C uses Meteor, but cannot uses all its capabilities due to its radar limitations.



Maybe you should ask the PAF why they vacated Kashmir then.
I spent about a morning reading all the posts of JF17. I think I should say something. First of all, I want to talk about J10. J10's mounting capability is often criticized, and it is different from what most people think. It was not originally developed as a Chinese F16. The initial use of the J10 was designed to intercept the Soviet TU22 bomber, so it emphasized the ability of supersonic interception and did not require high mounting capabilities.