Pakistan AirForce : Updates & Discussions
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Maamu , why don't you list with credible references & evidence what exactly has Paxtan developed as part of the JF-17 program ?Whatever you are smokingis pretty strong stuff. Keeps you in permanent delusion
Or do we take this post of yours on par with those - if cough syrup & paracetamol production can be enhanced why can't vaccine production ?
You should be grateful he credited you with the paint job at least. If it were me , I'd point out even the paint & primer were imported from China.
The most important task of J20 is long-range interception. Similar to F14A, it has a poor engine, good avionics system, and information combat capability. The J20 is a pure air superiority fighter, which only retains the basic ground strike capabilities. Therefore, China has a large number of J16s with strong ground strike capabilities to make up for the lack of ground strikes.
The MiG-29 was originally designed as a battle for air supremacy on the front line, while the ground strikes consisted of Su 22, Su 24, and Su 25. For the US Air Force, the F16 itself assists the F15 in air supremacy operations, and the F16 has at the very beginning. Good ground strike capability, coupled with the fact that the U.S. Air Force has basically inherited Duhey’s air combat theory, emphasizing ground strikes,
As for the J10 itself, it originated from an interceptor, emphasizing instant angular velocity, supersonic maneuverability, and the ability to use precision-guided ground attack weapons. I think this is a weakened typhoon fighter. The Chinese Air Force emphasizes both offensive and defensive capabilities. A good defensive fighter jet, the J10 has undertaken defensive tasks. In the future battlefield, although the J10 has a poor overload capability, it is still responsible for providing air defense cover for ground forces and the ability to provide immediate ground strikes on ground forces. To improve the J10 mounting capacity and range issues, on the one hand, the Chinese Air Force can get enough J10 to fill the various front-line aviation units, on the other hand, China has a large number of special fighter bombers such as JH7A for ground support.
please provide to us Indian ignoramuses aboutWhatever you are smoking
1) CFD codes for design and analysis those used during the initial design phase include panel codes , boundary layer codes , transonic small perturbation codes, and full potential codes for JF-17.
2)Various Cartesian grids for estimation of aerodynamic loads especially for configuration stages and separation studies for JF-17.
3)Structured grid analysis for the aircraft's flow fields for JF-17
4)What kind of Navier Stokes solver Pakistan used for detailed studies of flow around complex aircraft configurations on JF-17.
5)Wind tunnel testing data for aero dynamic data generation for control law design , performance and assessment of air intake and flow visualization and what kind of scale models did you guys use for JF-17 ??
6)What kind of facilities does Pakistan have for RCS measurement like
a) Instrumentation radar
b) Target rotator
c)Control and data acquisition system
d)CW , SFCW , GCW , FMCW RCS measurement
7) What is the Monostatic RCS , Bistatic RCS and Gross RCS measurement data for JF-17
8) Does pakistan have a CATR and other such test facilities for jf-17 ?
In India we have
RCS measurement capability in an anechoic
chamber/ compact antenna test range with the following
specifications
Frequency range: 4.0 GHz to 110.0 GHz
Quite zone size: 1.2 m dia ´ 1.2 m long cylinder
Amplitude and phase ripple: 0.5 dB max, 10° max
Amplitude and phase taper: 0.5 dB max, 10° max
in all the bands
9)What is Pakistan's ITO coating facility for jf-17 ??
India's facility
10)What kind of strength tests for the airframe have been carried out at component and sub assembly level on JF-17??
11)Show us your data of half wing strength test atleast the facilities involved for jf-17
12)Does Pakistan have a main airframe static test facility or a MAST facility for JF-17 if yes do tell ??
13) Tell us about your GVT of your plane ?? What kind of facilities does Pakistan have for GVT measurement ??
14)What about SCT( structural coupling test) of your fighter aircraft to estimate structure control interaction levels and to provide design data for notch filters to be incorporated in the feedback loop of the FCS and what kind of facilities pakistan has for it ? ?
15)Tell us about you lightening test ?? did your JF-17 airframe went through HV test or not ??
16 ) Tell us about your the aero-elastic stability of JF-17 , its operating envelope to demonstrate the successful completion of flight flutter tests of various store configurations ??
17) What kind of electronic equipment, electrical signalling, electro hydraulic actuators you used for the FBW on JF-17 ?? Please focus on control law design tools , structural filter, design tools , off-line handling quality analysis tools for the FBW on JF-17
18 ) Enlighten us of the engineer in loop simulator , non-real-time simulator , real- time simulator, hardware-software integration facility , hardware in loop evaluation facility , structural coupling test facility , ground
checkout system that Pakistan has established for JF-17 tests ??
19) Enlighten us about flight dynamics simulator, engineering test station, air data test system , high speed data acquisition systems , frequency response analyser ,, signal stimulation unit, air data system test equipment at Pakistan for Jf-17 ??
20) what kind of inertial-based acceleration sensor assembly for acceleration sensing and rate sensor assembly RSA for the roll , pitch and yaw for JF-17 ??
21) Tell us about your FBW FCS direct drive valve DDV -based primary actuators for for elevon and rudder control surfaces and EHSV-based secondary actuators ??
If Pakistan has indeed participated in development of JF-17 please provide the above mentioned question's answer
Wow , being a mech enggr I can confess nearly 30% of those processes & terms went over my head.
As far as maamu aka @safriz goes , pls be gentle with him . He was a store keeper handling supplies with the PA currently employed as 3rd assistant in a grocery in Bradford. Pilfering supplies in both those organisations was his speciality. Kya karein , janaab PA se jo the , aadat se majboor.
Forget him , most engineers employed at PAC - Kamra would be unfamiliar with those terms & processes.
It has all the hardware that makes it multirole.
Both the Mig-29 and F-16 A/B were made for the same role. The F-16 was designed to be an interceptor and dog fighter, and only had some A2G capability. It was much later that they realised it can be modified for A2G capability and made it multirole. The F-16 A/B was no different from the JF-17 today.
The F-16 was not made to assist the F-15C in air supremacy operations. AFAIK, 96% of all air superiority missions during the Gulf War were done by the F-15C.
Anyway, I suppose you are referring to Douhet. He's talking about something else entirely. Some of his theories died during WW2 itself.
It's merely a design limitation. The LCA was even more focused on air superiority compared to the J-10.
But with LCA Mk2, in comparison to the J-10, we simply added wing tip pylons. This is one of the most important design changes that made it a true multirole aircraft. The J-10 can see the same design change if the Chinese want it. Perhaps a J-10D will make it a true multirole aircraft.
And yeah, the J-10, JH-7 split is specific to the oldthink prevalent during the Cold War which gave an individual aircraft its own role. All air forces have now abandoned that.
The Chinese Air Force was not greatly affected by the Cold War. The Chinese Air Force has undergone several changes. From 1949 to 1970, the Chinese Air Force was mainly responsible for the air interception of the army. In this event, the main models of the Chinese Air Force were J6 and Q5. From 1970 to 1990 The Chinese Air Force undertook the task of intercepting Soviet bombers. At this time, China developed the J8 fighter jet and negotiated with the United States to purchase the F14. From 1990 to 2010, the Chinese Air Force was mainly responsible for homeland air defense. At this time, China was mainly J10A and J11B fighters. These fighters are mainly air superiority fighters without considering too many multi-functional capabilities. China’s purchase of the Su-30 was mainly prepared for attacking Taiwan. After 2010, the Chinese Air Force was responsible for homeland air defense. Consider the offensive at this time J16 and J20 began to enter the Chinese Air Force.
Douhut’s theory has never been outdated. The air force was born to attack the ground, destroying enemy fighter jets on airports, destroying enemy aircraft in factories, and destroying the enemy’s industrial system, which is more like a medieval duel in the air. Is a hundred times more efficient in air combat
A lot of that had to do with the poor R&D capabilities of the Chinese during the time. It wasn't out of choice. Now, with Chinese tech catching up with the West, China can now emulate the doctrine that the US follows. We see the same happening with the PLAN as well.
One of his theories basically said if we bomb the civilians enough, then they will rise up against their leadership to stop the war. Break the will of the people. That spectacularly failed during WW2.
Apart from that, yeah, his main premise was to control the air to win the ground, and that stands true today.
J10 is far from junk. It’s a worthy medium wait fighter with AESA radar, modern defensive suit and capability to launch long range AAMs. It also has TVC in its latest iteration and can do crazy stuff in the air.
Another Junk coming to PAF.....
A Chinese fighter plane with unproven Chinese turbofan engine WS10A a sure recipe for disaster, whether you like it or not...
WRT TVC and crazy stuff in Air. No matter all those cobras done by fighter planes in Air shows air war or Dog fight is won by other parameters like ITR, STR and EW suite, jammers, advance air to Air missiles like Mica Ng, ASRAAM, etc. So I still stick to my point. Another Junk coming to Pakistan, if at all they have money to but one ...
LOL. Don’t know how to debate with someone with such a vast amount of knowledge and wisdom. Carry onA Chinese fighter plane with unproven Chinese turbofan engine WS10A a sure recipe for disaster, whether you like it or not...
WRT TVC and crazy stuff in Air. No matter all those cobras done by fighter planes in Air shows air war or Dog fight is won by other parameters like ITR, STR and EW suite, jammers, advance air to Air missiles like Mica Ng, ASRAAM, etc. So I still stick to my point. Another Junk coming to Pakistan, if at all they have money to but one ...
A Chinese fighter plane with unproven Chinese turbofan engine WS10A a sure recipe for disaster, whether you like it or not...
WRT TVC and crazy stuff in Air. No matter all those cobras done by fighter planes in Air shows air war or Dog fight is won by other parameters like ITR, STR and EW suite, jammers, advance air to Air missiles like Mica Ng, ASRAAM, etc. So I still stick to my point. Another Junk coming to Pakistan, if at all they have money to but one ...
The AL 31 powered J 10 s are not allowed To be exported to Any country
And Now the WS 10 is still unreliable
at present
So PAF will not buy it unless the WS 10
becomes a reliable engine
Hope they gets it. Otherwise, it will be FC-31 which will be bad for us.
Another Junk coming to PAF.....
What happened to JF 17 cAn do all the roles of J10..?
That means Gap between J10 & JF 17 is wide enough... Makes me believe JF17 doesn't have any growth potential.
I don't think it ll undergo any significant upgrades.
That means Gap between J10 & JF 17 is wide enough... Makes me believe JF17 doesn't have any growth potential.
I don't think it ll undergo any significant upgrades.
A Chinese fighter plane with unproven Chinese turbofan engine WS10A a sure recipe for disaster, whether you like it or not...
The J-10C is now operational with the WS-10B engine.