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A Chinese fighter plane with unproven Chinese turbofan engine WS10A a sure recipe for disaster, whether you like it or not...😊

WRT TVC and crazy stuff in Air. No matter all those cobras done by fighter planes in Air shows air war or Dog fight is won by other parameters like ITR, STR and EW suite, jammers, advance air to Air missiles like Mica Ng, ASRAAM, etc. So I still stick to my point. Another Junk coming to Pakistan, if at all they have money to but one ...
As a matter of fact J10 is exactly what India wanted it's own LCA to be. Longer legs, Higher thrusts, canards, AND CHEAP as F. Sasta and Takatvar Desi Gripen.
Look at LCA MK2 it's headed in J10 direction anyways.
 
Are you sure? Are you among those who can tell engines apart based on their exhaust ports like the cpc bots? or am I missing something here.

It's easy to tell apart the AL-31 from the WS-10 models, even air show released confirm the differences, but we can't tell apart each WS-10 variant without state confirmation. When it comes to this, it has state confirmation. The WS-10B was specifically made for the J-10C. Also, the aircraft picture is that of an operational variant with its serial number erased, and was released by the state.

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It's easy to tell apart the AL-31 from the WS-10 models, even air show released confirm the differences, but we can't tell apart each WS-10 variant without state confirmation. When it comes to this, it has state confirmation. The WS-10B was specifically made for the J-10C. Also, the aircraft picture is that of an operational variant with its serial number erased, and was released by the state.

y5UzAB4.jpg



j10b_tvc_chen_jun_725.jpg
Put it simply, you trust Chinese government and some random Chinese poster. When was the last time Chinese government was caught lying?

Are you sure? Are you among those who can tell engines apart based on their exhaust ports like the cpc bots? or am I missing something here.
He has taken the entire Chinese message, hook, line and sinker.
 
It's easy to tell apart the AL-31 from the WS-10 models, even air show released confirm the differences, but we can't tell apart each WS-10 variant without state confirmation. When it comes to this, it has state confirmation. The WS-10B was specifically made for the J-10C. Also, the aircraft picture is that of an operational variant with its serial number erased, and was released by the state.

y5UzAB4.jpg



j10b_tvc_chen_jun_725.jpg
Could it be that the two images in here are Al31F and AL31M2

Here is Su24 Fencer
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Vs SU27

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I suspect that images and aesthetic differences might just be different variants of the AL31 assembled in China and not necesarily WS-BS.
 
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As a matter of fact J10 is exactly what India wanted it's own LCA to be. Longer legs, Higher thrusts, canards, AND CHEAP as F. Sasta and Takatvar Desi Gripen.
Look at LCA MK2 it's headed in J10 direction anyways.
You are right but what makes the difference is LCA mk2 or MWF will be having one of the most reliable turbofan engine GE414epe and a whole lot of Western avionics, electronic warfare suite and weapons like Astra missile, sfdr, Mica Ng ASRAAM, SAAW, most probably Hammer guided bombs, etc...
That will make it a much potent and reliable platform for decades to come...
 
You are right but what makes the difference is LCA mk2 or MWF will be having one of the most reliable turbofan engine GE414epe and a whole lot of Western avionics, electronic warfare suite and weapons like Astra missile, sfdr, Mica Ng ASRAAM, SAAW, most probably Hammer guided bombs, etc...
That will make it a much potent and reliable platform for decades to come...
Very Gripen-esk....
 
Could it be that the two images in here are Al31F and AL31M2

Here is Su24 Fencer
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Vs SU27

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I suspect that images and aesthetic differences might just be different variants of the AL31 assembled in China and not necesarily WS-BS.

Nah, the engine is the real deal. There's no Russian tech involved. They also have the WS-10C operational on the J-20 and now they even have a next gen WS-15. No relation between the Fencer and WS-10.

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They have at least 100+ J-20s operational with the above engine as well.

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Both images from a year ago.
 

Pakistan’s much-touted advanced fighter jet, JF-17 ‘Thunder’, which it has developed in collaboration with ally China, is an absolute dud, Greek media claims.
 

Pakistan’s much-touted advanced fighter jet, JF-17 ‘Thunder’, which it has developed in collaboration with ally China, is an absolute dud, Greek media claims.


Chinese have fooled Pakistanis by giving them third class product.
 
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Pakistan’s much-touted advanced fighter jet, JF-17 ‘Thunder’, which it has developed in collaboration with ally China, is an absolute dud, Greek media claims.
Should we be giving so much importance to Eurasian Times? It's more of an amateur blog.