Do you have any evidence to show that the KLJ 7A type you have posted is in the nose cone of JF17 ? Because Pakistani official sources say that it’s air cooled version.
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It wasn't just about G limits, but also load conditions. Under certain load conditions and above certain g limits, the anamoly happened.
It's not impossible the birds remain chinese ones, with chinese pilots and just the pak flag.
Any new order will see a delivery in 2025 at the earlier. So F4.2 ready.
It would be a waste to stay at F3R in 2025 for brand new jets.
Exercise Shaheen
ACM
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JF10 CP of Pak Army Aviation wing
PAF JF30 MKP
JF 35 MKP Electronic Attack version of PAF Blind Squadron
PAF JF30 MKP
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HUD is seriously huge. Excellent work by designers to pack all essential subsystems in this small package
no its not
Butt hurt syndrome
China’s military projects have always been mysterious. The biggest advantage of air-cooled AESA is that it can quickly upgrade the PD radar without changing the original circuit and cooling oil circuit. This may be important for JF17block2, but block3 is a newly manufactured fighter. There is no reason to use air-cooled AESA
Dimension wise there’s no chance in the nose section of Block 2 and block 3. Even the engine thrust is same. Therefore I don’t think they will go for two different radars in two different blocks.
Do you mean that large overload maneuvers cannot be carried out under certain load conditions? If this is the case, it should be that the flight control system has not been developed.
But so the disintegration of the plane is too exaggerated
Who knows?
But this air-cooled AESA also has good performance, which is similar to the performance of this Israeli radar.
Although maximum tracking range is an important parameter of radar performance, it’s not the only one factor. For example target locking distance, numbers of targets it can track and lock simultaneously, it’s field resolution and clutter, jamming resistance, target recognition and classification algorithms, average life, reliability and maintainability etc are also equally important.
Let’s talk about a more representative data.
Bandwidth, 3Ghz,
X band, total bandwidth 10Ghz
Its fractional bandwidth FBW reaches 0.3 level,
Exceeds the 0.25 requirement of ultra-wideband radar
This has reached the level of FA18E/F APG79 radar and Rafale RBE2AA radar.
Such a large working bandwidth can not only provide extremely high range resolution, and recognize the shape characteristics of ground vehicles, air fighters, etc., but also have strong anti-jamming capabilities and low interception capabilities. Traditional narrow-band targeting jammers such as ALQ-99 pod can hardly interfere with it effectively
ALQ-99 is the main pod of the EA18 electronic jamming fighter
JF17 Block 3 AESA Radar
Fair enough
So here are all the three Radar options we have in LCA Mk1 and Mk1A
LCA mk1 Radar
Tejas will feature AESA radar. Currently Tejas uses EL/M 2032 radar in MK 1 version. Tejas MK 1A will use EL/M 2052 AESA radar and indigenous UTTAM AESA radar is under development. Due to the small nose cone, AESA in Tejas obviously have a lower range, but it will be well integrated with in the IAF network, and give a quantum technology jump to IAFs combat ability.
UTTAM – AESA
Uttam AESA is indigenously developed active electronically scanned array (AESA) fire control radar. It is being developed for the LCA Mk2 and Mk1 (presumably Mk1s will be upgraded with the system) and also other aircraft upgrades such as the IAF's Jaguars and MiG-29Ks. Hardware has already been realized for this radar which has a range of 100 km against small fighter sized targets and rooftop testing is underway. Though the Uttam AESA currently weighs 120 kg which is some 40 kg more than the current MMR, there will be no problem in integrating it with the LCA Mk-II which can easily carry radar of this weight.
Uttam AESA features LPI and is capable of tracking up to six targets for weapons employment. The salient technical features are: two plane monopulse signals, low side lobe levels and integrated IFF, and GUARD and BITE channels. The heart of MMR is the signal processor, which is built around VLSI-ASICs and i960 processors to meet the functional needs of MMR in different modes of its operation. Its role is to process the radar receiver output, detect and locate targets, create ground map, and provide contour map when selected. Post-detection processor resolves range and Doppler ambiguities and forms plots for subsequent data processor. The special feature of signal processor is its real-time configurability to adapt to requirements depending on selected mode of operation.
LRDE lab to keep the Uttam’s interfaces as similar as possible to the current Israeli Elta radar. It is a challenge for LRDE, moving from mechanically scanned radar to the AESA without interface changes but that is the attempt, to save time and forestall any structural changes to the aircraft or sensor. LCA doesn’t have an integrated liquid cooling system necessary for AESA radar; the team has suggested that a small auxiliary compartment that becomes redundant after the mechanical-to-AESA switch could be utilized to house a liquid cooling system.
Uttam AESA completed its ground tests and had validated radar performance in Air-to-Air mode. LRDE also completed critical block software tests which opened other modes like high-resolution mapping, multiple grounds moving target detection/tracking and target identification mostly required to perform Air-to-Ground operations. Tejas LSP-2 has been selected to be used has further flying test-bed aircraft for UTTAM.
UTTAM has capabilities like, Identification friend or foe (IFF), electronic and communication support measures, C-band line-of-sight and Ku-band SATCOM data-links, etc., similar to those on the AWACS and Conformal Airborne Early Warning & Control Systems (CAEW) systems.
The important modes of operation of the UTTAM radar system are the surface surveillance and the air surveillance. The sensor has the abilities to search, track-while-scan, priority tracking, high performance tracking, etc. In priority tracking, the targets will be placed in full track mode even if these cross the primary surveillance area. In high performance tracking, additional measurements are made to improve the tracking accuracy. Utilizing active aperture technology, the radar provides a fast-beam agile system that can operate in several modes concurrently.
The radar has state of the art ECCM features including wide band RF front end, ultra low antenna side lobes, frequency and waveform agility, multiple SLC channels for jammer suppression, low probability of intercept, non co-operative target recognition. AESAR provides better situational awareness of the modern battlefield scenario. It is capable of search for 100, tracking up to 6 targets with high accuracy suitable for firing missiles and interleaved Air –to-Air, Air –to-Ground and Air –to Sea modes for all terrain solution. It has ~700 TR modules.
Expected Range 150 Km for 2 meter square target. UTTAM is GaAS based. Earlier GaAs TRM procured from US, but they sanctioned it after that, now making GaAs TRMs in India. Cooling requirements is of 3.6KW
Features
- Fully Active Array
- Azimuth & Elevation monopulse for high accuracy fire control
- Target detection range 0.25Km to 150 Km
- False alarm rate: 1 per Minute
- High resolution SAR
- High resolution ISAR of sea targets
- High accuracy ground target tracking
- Auxiliary channels for jammer suppression
- Environmental MIL STD-8100
- EMI/EMC MIL STD-461E
- Operational temperature -40 C to +65 C
- Storage Temperature -55 C to + 85C
- Operational altitude up-to 60000feets
Note: - need more citations/validations about UTTAM.
EL/M – 2032 (MK-1)
EL/M-2032 is an advanced pulse Doppler, multimode fire control radar intended for multi-mission fighter aircraft. It is suitable for air-to-air and air-to-surface modes. In the air-to-air mode the radar delivers long-range target detection and tracking capability. In the air-to-surface mode, the radar generates high resolution ground imagery using Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) technology for smart weapons guidance. Air-to-Sea mode provides long-range detection and tracking as well as target identification capability.
EL/M-2032 air-to-air mode has detection and tracking range of up to 150 km, the air-to-ground mode generates high resolution radar imagery of locations at up to 150 km, and air-to-sea mode can detect and classify naval targets at ranges of up to 300 km. The radar system weighs between 72 and 100 kg. Range 100km (5m2 size plane)
Features
- Pulse Doppler, all aspect, look-down shoot-down capabilities
- TWT coherent transmitter
- Ultra low sidelobe planar antenna
- Two axes monopulse, guard channel
- Programmable signal processor
- Full software control
- Most advanced architecture, technology and components
- Adaptability and growth potential
- MIL 1553B interface to avionic system
- Modular hardware configuration
- Spare memory space and computing power
Air-to-Air
- Range While Search (RWS)
- Single Target Track (STT)
- Track While Scan (TWS)
- Situational Awareness Mode (SAM)
- Dual Target Track (DTT)
- Raid Assessment (RA)
- Vertical Scan
- Slewable Scan
- HUD ACM
- Bore-sight
- Adaptive Boresight
- High Resolution mapping (SAR Mode) with Image tracking
- SMTI over RBM DBS or SAR
- SMTT over RBM DBS or SAR
- Real Beam Map (RBM)
- Doppler Beam Sharpening (RBM)
- Air – to – Ground Ranging (AGR)
- Beacon (BCN)
- Weather (WA)
- Sea Search (SS)
- Sea Target TWS
- Sea Target Continuous Track (STCT)
- Inverse SAR (ISAR) Sea Target Classification
- Range Signature (RS) Sea Target Classification
ELM 2052 ( Mk1A)
The ELM-2052 is an advanced Fire Control Radar (FCR) designed for air-to-air superiority and strike missions, based on fully solid-state Active Ellectronically Scanning Array (AESA) technology, enabling the radar to achieve long detection ranges, high mission reliability and multi-target tracking capabilities. The ELM-2052 radar provides simultaneous modes of operation supporting multi-mission capabilities for air-to-air, air-to-ground and air-to-sea operation modes, and weapon deployment.
This radar utilizes an array of transmit/receive solid-state modules designed to dynamically shape the radiation pattern using ultra-low side-lobe antenna. The radar supports pulse doppler and two axes monopulse guard channel, providing all aspect, look-down shoot-down performance, operating simultaneous multi-mode air-to-air superiority and advanced strike missions. The radar is based on solid-state, active phase array technology enabling the radar to achieve a longer detection range, high mission reliability and a multi-target tracking capability of up to 64 targets. It can also support high resolution target identification and separation, performing raid assessment at long range. as well as surface moving target detection and ranging. In the anti-shipping role the new radar provides long-range target detection, classification and tracking.
With high peak power the radar support simultaneous multi-mode operation. It can detect targets at very long range while tracking up to 64 targets, and, simultaneously engaging several targets with missiles. In ground attack missions the radar supports mapping, navigation and high resolution imagery (SAR), supported with Real Beam Map (RBM) and Doppler Beam Sharpening (DBS) modes. The EL/M-2052 is designed as a modular system, with built in growth capability, computation and memory reserves. Its weighs about 130 - 180kg and consumes 4 - 10KVA, depending on the design configuration.
In the air-to-air mode, the radar delivers very long-range multi target detection and enables several simultaneous weapon deliveries in combat engagements.
In air-to-ground missions, the radar provides very high resolution SAR mapping, surface moving target detection and tracking over RBM and SAR maps in addition to A/G ranging.
In air-to-sea missions the radar provides long-range target detection and tracking, including target classification capabilities (RS, ISAR).
Features
- Solid-state, active phased array technology
- Pulse Doppler, all aspect, shoot down capabilities
- Simultaneous multi-target tracking and engaging
- Simultaneous multi-mode operation
- High ECM immunity
- Ultra-low side-lobe antenna
- Sigma, two axis monopulse and guard channels
- Flexible interfaces and growth potential:
- Modular hardware and software
- Spare memory and computing power - High mission reliability (built with redundancy)
Operational Modes
Air-to-Air
- TWS/Multi-target detection and tracking
- Multi-target ACM
- High resolution raid assessment
- High resolution mapping (SAR Mode)
- AGR - Air-to-Ground Ranging
- RBM - Real Beam Map
- DBS - Doppler Beam Sharpening
- GMTI on RBM, SAR
- GMTT on RBM, SAR
- Beacon
- Weather
- Sea search and multi-target tracking
- RS and ISAR classification modes
(ADA/HAL LCA Tejas - Lethal-Compact-Agile
An here are some of official specifications of Europ
Official IAI Pamphlet
PS: I can’t find detailed specifications of the RBE2 AESA like it’s power output, bandwidth etc anywhere on the internet. If you can find, please post it here.- Also how did you calculated total 10 GHz of bandwidth for KLJ7A ?
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I mean a total of 10Ghz in X-band
Suddenly I was asked to find it. I really didn’t find it. It was a screenshot I saw on Weibo and I didn’t save it.
I don’t know that India can produce AESA. It seems that the Indian aviation industry has made great progress.JF17 Block 3 AESA Radar
View attachment 22508
Fair enough
So here are all the three Radar options we have in LCA Mk1 and Mk1A
LCA mk1 Radar
Tejas will feature AESA radar. Currently Tejas uses EL/M 2032 radar in MK 1 version. Tejas MK 1A will use EL/M 2052 AESA radar and indigenous UTTAM AESA radar is under development. Due to the small nose cone, AESA in Tejas obviously have a lower range, but it will be well integrated with in the IAF network, and give a quantum technology jump to IAFs combat ability.
UTTAM – AESA
Uttam AESA is indigenously developed active electronically scanned array (AESA) fire control radar. It is being developed for the LCA Mk2 and Mk1 (presumably Mk1s will be upgraded with the system) and also other aircraft upgrades such as the IAF's Jaguars and MiG-29Ks. Hardware has already been realized for this radar which has a range of 100 km against small fighter sized targets and rooftop testing is underway. Though the Uttam AESA currently weighs 120 kg which is some 40 kg more than the current MMR, there will be no problem in integrating it with the LCA Mk-II which can easily carry radar of this weight.
Uttam AESA features LPI and is capable of tracking up to six targets for weapons employment. The salient technical features are: two plane monopulse signals, low side lobe levels and integrated IFF, and GUARD and BITE channels. The heart of MMR is the signal processor, which is built around VLSI-ASICs and i960 processors to meet the functional needs of MMR in different modes of its operation. Its role is to process the radar receiver output, detect and locate targets, create ground map, and provide contour map when selected. Post-detection processor resolves range and Doppler ambiguities and forms plots for subsequent data processor. The special feature of signal processor is its real-time configurability to adapt to requirements depending on selected mode of operation.
LRDE lab to keep the Uttam’s interfaces as similar as possible to the current Israeli Elta radar. It is a challenge for LRDE, moving from mechanically scanned radar to the AESA without interface changes but that is the attempt, to save time and forestall any structural changes to the aircraft or sensor. LCA doesn’t have an integrated liquid cooling system necessary for AESA radar; the team has suggested that a small auxiliary compartment that becomes redundant after the mechanical-to-AESA switch could be utilized to house a liquid cooling system.
Uttam AESA completed its ground tests and had validated radar performance in Air-to-Air mode. LRDE also completed critical block software tests which opened other modes like high-resolution mapping, multiple grounds moving target detection/tracking and target identification mostly required to perform Air-to-Ground operations. Tejas LSP-2 has been selected to be used has further flying test-bed aircraft for UTTAM.
UTTAM has capabilities like, Identification friend or foe (IFF), electronic and communication support measures, C-band line-of-sight and Ku-band SATCOM data-links, etc., similar to those on the AWACS and Conformal Airborne Early Warning & Control Systems (CAEW) systems.
The important modes of operation of the UTTAM radar system are the surface surveillance and the air surveillance. The sensor has the abilities to search, track-while-scan, priority tracking, high performance tracking, etc. In priority tracking, the targets will be placed in full track mode even if these cross the primary surveillance area. In high performance tracking, additional measurements are made to improve the tracking accuracy. Utilizing active aperture technology, the radar provides a fast-beam agile system that can operate in several modes concurrently.
The radar has state of the art ECCM features including wide band RF front end, ultra low antenna side lobes, frequency and waveform agility, multiple SLC channels for jammer suppression, low probability of intercept, non co-operative target recognition. AESAR provides better situational awareness of the modern battlefield scenario. It is capable of search for 100, tracking up to 6 targets with high accuracy suitable for firing missiles and interleaved Air –to-Air, Air –to-Ground and Air –to Sea modes for all terrain solution. It has ~700 TR modules.
Expected Range 150 Km for 2 meter square target. UTTAM is GaAS based. Earlier GaAs TRM procured from US, but they sanctioned it after that, now making GaAs TRMs in India. Cooling requirements is of 3.6KW
Features
Environmental Specifications
- Fully Active Array
- Azimuth & Elevation monopulse for high accuracy fire control
- Target detection range 0.25Km to 150 Km
- False alarm rate: 1 per Minute
- High resolution SAR
- High resolution ISAR of sea targets
- High accuracy ground target tracking
- Auxiliary channels for jammer suppression
Preliminary studies have been carried out at Center for Airborne Studies (CABS) for a possible optimal design of a futuristic antenna with the desirable 360°-vision for roles identified under various war situations. The unique aerodynamically-shaped delta radome will blend with the aerodynamics of the platform-aircraft to provide the required radar performance together with better operational economy by virtue of its better aerodynamics, reduced weight, and better or similar electro-magnetics. This radar may be dorsal or conformal fuselage mounted doubts still remain as not much is known about its specifications or configuration.
- Environmental MIL STD-8100
- EMI/EMC MIL STD-461E
- Operational temperature -40 C to +65 C
- Storage Temperature -55 C to + 85C
- Operational altitude up-to 60000feets
Note: - need more citations/validations about UTTAM.
EL/M – 2032 (MK-1)
EL/M-2032 is an advanced pulse Doppler, multimode fire control radar intended for multi-mission fighter aircraft. It is suitable for air-to-air and air-to-surface modes. In the air-to-air mode the radar delivers long-range target detection and tracking capability. In the air-to-surface mode, the radar generates high resolution ground imagery using Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) technology for smart weapons guidance. Air-to-Sea mode provides long-range detection and tracking as well as target identification capability.
EL/M-2032 air-to-air mode has detection and tracking range of up to 150 km, the air-to-ground mode generates high resolution radar imagery of locations at up to 150 km, and air-to-sea mode can detect and classify naval targets at ranges of up to 300 km. The radar system weighs between 72 and 100 kg. Range 100km (5m2 size plane)
Features
Operational Modes
- Pulse Doppler, all aspect, look-down shoot-down capabilities
- TWT coherent transmitter
- Ultra low sidelobe planar antenna
- Two axes monopulse, guard channel
- Programmable signal processor
- Full software control
- Most advanced architecture, technology and components
- Adaptability and growth potential
- MIL 1553B interface to avionic system
- Modular hardware configuration
- Spare memory space and computing power
Air-to-Air
Air Combat Modes (ACM)
- Range While Search (RWS)
- Single Target Track (STT)
- Track While Scan (TWS)
- Situational Awareness Mode (SAM)
- Dual Target Track (DTT)
- Raid Assessment (RA)
Air – to-Ground
- Vertical Scan
- Slewable Scan
- HUD ACM
- Bore-sight
- Adaptive Boresight
Air – To –Sea
- High Resolution mapping (SAR Mode) with Image tracking
- SMTI over RBM DBS or SAR
- SMTT over RBM DBS or SAR
- Real Beam Map (RBM)
- Doppler Beam Sharpening (RBM)
- Air – to – Ground Ranging (AGR)
- Beacon (BCN)
- Weather (WA)
- Sea Search (SS)
- Sea Target TWS
- Sea Target Continuous Track (STCT)
- Inverse SAR (ISAR) Sea Target Classification
- Range Signature (RS) Sea Target Classification
ELM 2052 ( Mk1A)
View attachment 22504
The ELM-2052 is an advanced Fire Control Radar (FCR) designed for air-to-air superiority and strike missions, based on fully solid-state Active Ellectronically Scanning Array (AESA) technology, enabling the radar to achieve long detection ranges, high mission reliability and multi-target tracking capabilities. The ELM-2052 radar provides simultaneous modes of operation supporting multi-mission capabilities for air-to-air, air-to-ground and air-to-sea operation modes, and weapon deployment.
This radar utilizes an array of transmit/receive solid-state modules designed to dynamically shape the radiation pattern using ultra-low side-lobe antenna. The radar supports pulse doppler and two axes monopulse guard channel, providing all aspect, look-down shoot-down performance, operating simultaneous multi-mode air-to-air superiority and advanced strike missions. The radar is based on solid-state, active phase array technology enabling the radar to achieve a longer detection range, high mission reliability and a multi-target tracking capability of up to 64 targets. It can also support high resolution target identification and separation, performing raid assessment at long range. as well as surface moving target detection and ranging. In the anti-shipping role the new radar provides long-range target detection, classification and tracking.
With high peak power the radar support simultaneous multi-mode operation. It can detect targets at very long range while tracking up to 64 targets, and, simultaneously engaging several targets with missiles. In ground attack missions the radar supports mapping, navigation and high resolution imagery (SAR), supported with Real Beam Map (RBM) and Doppler Beam Sharpening (DBS) modes. The EL/M-2052 is designed as a modular system, with built in growth capability, computation and memory reserves. Its weighs about 130 - 180kg and consumes 4 - 10KVA, depending on the design configuration.
In the air-to-air mode, the radar delivers very long-range multi target detection and enables several simultaneous weapon deliveries in combat engagements.
In air-to-ground missions, the radar provides very high resolution SAR mapping, surface moving target detection and tracking over RBM and SAR maps in addition to A/G ranging.
In air-to-sea missions the radar provides long-range target detection and tracking, including target classification capabilities (RS, ISAR).
Features
- Solid-state, active phased array technology
- Pulse Doppler, all aspect, shoot down capabilities
- Simultaneous multi-target tracking and engaging
- Simultaneous multi-mode operation
- High ECM immunity
- Ultra-low side-lobe antenna
- Sigma, two axis monopulse and guard channels
- Flexible interfaces and growth potential:
- Modular hardware and software
- Spare memory and computing power- High mission reliability (built with redundancy)
Operational Modes
Air-to-Air
Air-to-Ground
- TWS/Multi-target detection and tracking
- Multi-target ACM
- High resolution raid assessment
Air-to-Sea
- High resolution mapping (SAR Mode)
- AGR - Air-to-Ground Ranging
- RBM - Real Beam Map
- DBS - Doppler Beam Sharpening
- GMTI on RBM, SAR
- GMTT on RBM, SAR
- Beacon
- Weather
- Sea search and multi-target tracking
- RS and ISAR classification modes
(ADA/HAL LCA Tejas - Lethal-Compact-Agile
An here are some of official specifications of Europ- View attachment 22505
Official IAI Pamphlet- View attachment 22507
PS: I can’t find detailed specifications of the RBE2 AESA like it’s power output, bandwidth etc anywhere on the internet. If you can find, please post it here.- Also how did you calculated total 10 GHz of bandwidth for KLJ7A ?