Up to now, Pakistan is also holding a lot of aid from the Middle East oil countries, and they can buy European goods.
Pakistan AirForce : Updates & Discussions
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What's the grounding of the F-16 or the drones got to do with the Jordanians putting up the Chinese drones they've just procured on sale ? Check out the link I've attached .
I'm talking about what we had in 1960,
What China learned from the Soviet Union was not just technology, but the organizational forms of industrialized countries
There's not much aid . There are only loans . Their access to the European market is severely restricted. They turn to the Chinese only after the Europeans have denied them now that the US isn't interested in the least. Their only two go to sources in the world for defence procurement are China & Turkey.
Atleast the kfx is affordable venture compared to the tfx which is too expensive for even Turkey to manage.
With all that impressive talent bank in universities & education apart from industry you're claiming & the fact that the former USSR was transferring rather lavishing weapons , platforms , technologies etc on the Chinese since the Korean War & since the Sino Soviet break in the mid to late 1960s , the growing rapprochement with the west & significant transfer & sales of western equipment to China right thru the late 1970's till the Tiananmen Square incident when all such co operation ceased on paper but dual use technology & dealings with Israel & few other western nations continued for a few more years before it was completely stopped , when exactly did you come up with a usable turbofan engine for fighter aircraft ?
So what makes you think the Turks are such duffers ?
The national interest is right, no one buys rainbow 4
What's the grounding of the F-16 or the drones got to do with the Jordanians putting up the Chinese drones they've just procured on sale ? Check out the link I've attached .
Even if Rainbow 4 has been exported to 7 countries
Even on January 26, Algeria just confirmed 6 CH5 large drones
Even if they have bought CH3, CH4 Wing Loong 2 before
I assume he's confusing the actual Turkics from Central Asia with the turkish people in Turkey. The Turks living in modern day Turkey are no different to Pakistanis. They are just Greeks larping as Turks similar to how Pakistanis are just indians larping as Arabs.
It's a niche market I imagine. Barring the US Israel & China not many countries had the foresight in the last two decades to invest & develop such technologies.
The advent of Insurgency in the middle East particularly so in the 2010-20 period , the massive strides Turkey made in this field , the way the Azeri Armenian war unfolded all opened up the eyes of the world to possibilities.
So , if the this were 2016 , the US refuses you , you can't approach the Israelis , no other options are open barring the Chinese , whom do you go to ?
I don't think so .
The UAE Ministry of Defense announced the import of 12 Hongdu L-15 Falcon advanced trainers, and there are 36 more intentional orders, depending on the situation in the future.
It will be PWF100 I believe, the same engine that powers F16.
Discounted or not pakistan always had money to spend on defence,don't judge them with indian mentalities, today we as a society don't mind in loosing territory or getting spanked by enemy ,that's not the case with pakistan.
Turkey is important to China's BRI. So China's not going to give money for Turkey's fighter project, but to Turkey itself, through BRI. How they spend it is up to them.
China won't give Turkey technology, the West will. Turkey is still part of NATO.
They have kept their design goal modest, -10 to -20dBsm.
Right back at you. Only the Chinese believe the J-10C is as good as Rafale. The J-10C is more or less similar to the F-16 B70, ie, a generation behind the Rafale.
They are spending $500M per year on the JF-17s today.
Yeah, as I said, if they survive this decade...
They don't have to fly anything. They can just buy them and keep them in storage. They don't need such numbers.
South Korea's defense budget is $46 billion. I would imagine they have a higher procurement budget than ours since most of ours go to HR.
If they want to, they can run parallel fighter programs without outside capital like us.
SoKo spent $11B in capital purchases last year, so they are pretty much the same as us. Except their won buys less than our rupee.
They can definitely go up faster than us, they have the money for it. High per capita income, trade surplus and low debt are good combinations.
No. Actually the oldest would be 3rd hand F16 ADF Aircrafts. They were build in 1981 I think. Then upgraded to ADF. Then sold to Jordan and then donated to Pakistan. So those 13 airframes are actually oldest.
It seems to be worse than the blk 70. And closer to the mk 1a in capability. Especially the pakistani ones.