Pakistan AirForce : Updates & Discussions

[randomradio]

It seems to be worse than the blk 70. And closer to the mk 1a in capability. Especially the pakistani ones.

The J-10C has superior aerial performance, but the F-16 has superior strike performance. But the B70 with its new AESA and missile should outmatch the J-10C in BVR. Overall, both use ancient design philosophies.

Yeah, although the J-10C and F-16B70 are bigger platforms, the LCA Mk1A will easily match them in A2A performance. In strike, Mk1A is slightly inferior in load carrying capacity, but should be able to match the J-10C, whereas it will fall short of the F-16. This is primarily because the F-16 has 4 underwing hardpoints, whereas the J-10 and LCA have only 3.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

The J-10C has superior aerial performance, but the F-16 has superior strike performance. But the B70 with its new AESA and missile should outmatch the J-10C in BVR. Overall, both use ancient design philosophies.

Yeah, although the J-10C and F-16B70 are bigger platforms, the LCA Mk1A will easily match them in A2A performance. In strike, Mk1A is slightly inferior in load carrying capacity, but should be able to match the J-10C, whereas it will fall short of the F-16. This is primarily because the F-16 has 4 underwing hardpoints, whereas the J-10 and LCA have only 3.

The biggest problem for J10C will be service availability. That's where it will be severely lacking in comparison to F16.

 

[Lolwa]

The J-10C has superior aerial performance, but the F-16 has superior strike performance. But the B70 with its new AESA and missile should outmatch the J-10C in BVR. Overall, both use ancient design philosophies.

Yeah, although the J-10C and F-16B70 are bigger platforms, the LCA Mk1A will easily match them in A2A performance. In strike, Mk1A is slightly inferior in load carrying capacity, but should be able to match the J-10C, whereas it will fall short of the F-16. This is primarily because the F-16 has 4 underwing hardpoints, whereas the J-10 and LCA have only 3.

The j-10 has the smaller RCS it might have the first advantage against f-16. In wvr the aerial performance of j-10 might be the decider. The j-10 defeated their flankers. The super Sukhoi upgrade becomes all the more necessary...

The biggest problem for J10C will be service availability. That's where it will be severely lacking in comparison to F16.

Their f-16 serviceability isn't any better. Plus chinese engines are crap

The biggest problem for J10C will be service availability. That's where it will be severely lacking in comparison to F16.

Their f-16 serviceability isn't any better. Plus chinese engines are crap

 

[randomradio]

The biggest problem for J10C will be service availability. That's where it will be severely lacking in comparison to F16.

If the Chinese are smart, they can help avoid this issue by adequately keeping them supplied beforehand. If they decide to play politics instead, then yeah, the PAF is gonna suffer.

 

[randomradio]

The j-10 has the smaller RCS it might have the first advantage against f-16. In wvr the aerial performance of j-10 might be the decider. The j-10 defeated their flankers. The super Sukhoi upgrade becomes all the more necessary...

I doubt the difference in RCS will be large enough to make a difference.

The Chinese Flankers are largely crap. Only the J-16 is worth talking about. Maybe once the J-11s undergo upgrades with new radars, EW suites and engines, we can bring that back into the equation. Anyway don't fall for Chinese propaganda about their older "domestic" jet being better than newer "foreign" designed Flankers.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

If the Chinese are smart, they can help avoid this issue by adequately keeping them supplied beforehand. If they decide to play politics instead, then yeah, the PAF is gonna suffer.

IAF maintains a rigid maintenance schedule and a fairly large pool of spares for Al31. But still.

And this is a Chinese engine , in a single engine aircraft. Even with generous spare supply, the engine failure rates will remain high , and will require a large pool of spare engines to keep a availability rate compared to that of F16 fleet.

 

[randomradio]

IAF maintains a rigid maintenance schedule and a fairly large pool of spares for Al31. But still.

More like HAL. The IAF struggled due to the poor supply from Russian firms, so they have now transferred the function to HAL. So now HAL keeps a supply warehouse that supplies to the IAF while replenishing their inventory through orders from Russia. Before this system was set up 5 years ago, ie, before Parrikar, MKIs had poor availability.

The Indianising of spares for all Russian equipment through JVs with Russian companies should begun sometime this year though.

And this is a Chinese engine , in a single engine aircraft. Even with generous spare supply, the engine failure rates will remain high , and will require a large pool of spare engines to keep a availability rate compared to that of F16 fleet.

Yeah, the F-16's engine is better. But the Chinese engine is manageable, it just depends on how well the Chinese allow supplies to reach Pakistan.

The F-16 is not a modern design, so its serviceability is something the J-10 can easily match even if there's more work involved. They have to work with shorter schedules than on the F-16, but it's doable. If they can manage the J-7, then J-10 is much easier.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

More like HAL. The IAF struggled due to the poor supply from Russian firms, so they have now transferred the function to HAL. So now HAL keeps a supply warehouse that supplies to the IAF while replenishing their inventory through orders from Russia. Before this system was set up 5 years ago, ie, before Parrikar, MKIs had poor availability.

The Indianising of spares for all Russian equipment through JVs with Russian companies should begun sometime this year though.



Yeah, the F-16's engine is better. But the Chinese engine is manageable, it just depends on how well the Chinese allow supplies to reach Pakistan.

The F-16 is not a modern design, so its serviceability is something the J-10 can easily match even if there's more work involved. They have to work with shorter schedules than on the F-16, but it's doable. If they can manage the J-7, then J-10 is much easier.

For J7 they had servicing capabilities at PAC Kamara. It was easier and cheaper even with severely small time.

WS10 will have actual service life even half of what we expect in AL31. The PW100 series would serve 6000+ hours easily. If one WS10 makes it beyond 600 hours I will be damm impressed by China.

 

[randomradio]

For J7 they had servicing capabilities at PAC Kamara. It was easier and cheaper even with severely small time.

WS10 will have actual service life even half of what we expect in AL31. The PW100 series would serve 6000+ hours easily. If one WS10 makes it beyond 600 hours I will be damm impressed by China.

The PAF's J-10C comes with the WS-10B. It exceeds the specs of the AL-31F.

 

[Lolwa]

The PAF's J-10C comes with the WS-10B. It exceeds the specs of the AL-31F.

What's the service hours?? No way it's higher than the al-31's

 

[randomradio]

What's the service hours?? No way it's higher than the al-31's

As per their state media, it's 1500 hours, the same as the AL-31F. The MKI's FP adds 500 more hours.

 

[Chain Smoker]

As per their state media, it's 1500 hours, the same as the AL-31F. The MKI's FP adds 500 more hours.

Lol their state media is a pathological liar.

 

[_Anonymous_]

Lol their state media is a pathological liar.

I think it's in our best interests we consider their products to be at par with Russia at the bare minimum & in many cases exceeding them in at least as far as electronics , radar , etc go as the Russians are a bit behind the World in these aspects.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

The PAF's J-10C comes with the WS-10B. It exceeds the specs of the AL-31F.

I would really doubt that. If they had such capability they would have replaced the Russian engine on Jf17 too.

And that Russian engine has a faulty FADEC in its best offering.

No reason to believe that China has a Engine better than AL31F. Even 1/4th in capabilities.

 

[randomradio]

I would really doubt that. If they had such capability they would have replaced the Russian engine on Jf17 too.

Obviously too late for that. The PAF can't afford the same fleet with two different engines.

And that Russian engine has a faulty FADEC in its best offering.

No reason to believe that China has a Engine better than AL31F. Even 1/4th in capabilities.

It's not difficult to believe. They already have a supercruise capable engine on the J-20.

Lol their state media is a pathological liar.

Unlikely in this case. Their objective was to replace the AL-31F after it achieved equal or greater capability and they have done it.

Plus the PAF wouldn't have chosen the engine if that wasn't the case.

 

[_Anonymous_]

2 hrs past 8 am ( not pm ) , the hubris continues & how . However , we're told hangovers are supposedly horrible for most humans.

Supercruise capable engine indigenously developed by China for their J-20s that everyone has heard about but nobody's seen & verified except of course resident storyteller.

Let's turn to more reliable sources who actually earn a living thru this , hence have a reputation to protect , 8 am or 8 pm.

This is a very insightful article on what China planned nearly 2 decades ago & what's it achieved (?) for those interested in informed analysis .

What a 19-Year-Old Study Tells Us About China’s J-20

A study from 2003 – now available in exclusive English translation – contains important insights on China’s fifth-generation (and beyond) fighter development.

thediplomat.com

Most notably, the Strategic Study correctly identifies that domestic development of a thrust-to-weight ratio 10 (TWR 10) engine – needed for the J-20 to comfortably achieve supercruise – would likely suffer delays; therefore a WS-10/Taihang engine would likely be required at least for the tests of initial airframes. Indeed, subsequent development and production has shown that initial testing and first batch production used Russian Al-31 engines, and subsequent batch production is currently using WS-10 engines, while the TWR 10 engine (WS-15) is in advanced testing as of this writing.

For those who love stories ... ignore this post.

 

[Tatvamasi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1511037805773959182

 

[Ankit Kumar]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1516509916361818113

*Assembled in Pakistan

 

[_Anonymous_]

Rohit Vats narrating a story again & what a story it is !!

One for the ages.

 

[lcafanboy]