Haven't we already developed non magnetic steel ? Why should we depend on ze Germans for it ? Ofc quality wise it may be a different matter.
Project 75 India Diesel-electric Submarine Programs (SSK) : Updates and Discussions
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Long long ago, I read non magnetic isn't suitable to us.. It cannot dive deeper I think.
Only Indian p8I has magnetic anomaly detector..
USA doesn't have, many modes to find sub invented, NNorwegian lady poster had made post about in some old forum .
In wartime, SSKs will generally stay close to the coast where deep diving capability isn't a factor. If they surface to snorkel, they lose the element of surprise.
DMRL/SAIL have developed DMR-249B steel for sub applications but there's no open source info on its properties. If it was up to non-mag spec, we'd have already used it to build the Arihant class imo.
Just build sub from titanium alloys...... It has all the non magnetic properties + Degaussing is an option to & work's fine if your deployment time at sea is short.
Privatisation is out of the question imo. The trade unions would throw a hissy fit, egged on by political parties across states (esp WB and KL). Strikes could impact delivery schedules and push up costs.
Iirc, one time GRSE workers went on indefinite strike forcing the IN to tow ships undergoing maintenance/construction to MDL. If it happened all over, the IN's fleet serviceability would hit rock bottom. Don't think GoI would have the appetite for another round of street protests.
Project 75 Alpha: Indian Navy Nuclear attack submarine(SSN)
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Take it with a pinch of salt
It's either this or they wither away if not now , later.
Yeah. We can always switch to titanium over time in future subs.
We cannot corporatize unless private sector comes in first and they show off a level of efficiency DPSUs cannot. This will give the ammo necessary to kill the unions.
Scorpene was studied by Naval Group and Navantia, but mainly Naval Group (Navantia had poor sub experience).
Ater a dispute about export (if I remember well) they all two decided to cut the tie.
S80 was then studied by Spain on the Scorpene lessons, but the studients were not clever and aware enough it seems....
S80 father is Scorpene.
It seems there was this error of decimal thing that led to Navantia running to Electric Boat for help.
Titanium for a conventional sub doesn't make sense but a Ti-hulled SSN could well be a possibility.
I think L&T has already demonstrated that with its handling of the ICG Vikram OPV project. As things stand today, the GoI/MoD is busy handing out orders on to DPSU yards while L&T is literally begging for scraps- subcontracting for the likes of GRSE.
Granted, some pvt players like Reliance Naval and ABG have turned out to be damp squibs in terms of meeting timelines but performers like L&T should not be penalized because of it.
The L1 regime will continue to be a disadvantage imo unless the recently announced PLI scheme for shipbuilding saved margins for pvt yards.
Also MoD awarding contracts on nomination basis must stop.
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When I make a decimal error, I don't call General Electric to help me: I correct my mistake and recalculate.
Pretty sure it was the GDEB which showed Navantia the misplaced decimal, until then the Spaniards were clueless about why their sub couldn't resurface after diving down. It delayed their submarine programme by 5 years at least.
That decimal error business suits the RoI more than Spain . Something much more serious transpired there which we'd probably get to know one fine day courtesy a biography or an expose in the media.
It's either that or the malaise of Paddyfication of the west has been more widespread & deeply entrenched with bizarre manifestations than I previously thought , eh Paddy ? @BMD
Have you guys considered the costs of titanium ? I'm not just referring to the costs of mining or refining but also the fact it's one of the most difficult metals to machine.
And you're honestly expecting a gareeb desh like India with a bohut hi gareeb budget - the bhagte bhoot ki langot sahi types , which by no means does justice to the fact that we're not only in an hostile neighborhood but are surrounded by 2 N powers with whom we've fought wars of which 1 is an existential threat expecting the most daridra service in terms of budget allocation to go in for the equivalent of platinum as far as our defence goes.
It's one thing for RST to attempt to pass on his fantasies as facts which both he & we're habituated to though I'm probably the only one left calling him out , the others having long given up , but I'm surprised somebody as sane as you're concurring with him , with caveats of course.
And you're honestly expecting a gareeb desh like India with a bohut hi gareeb budget - the bhagte bhoot ki langot sahi types , which by no means does justice to the fact that we're not only in an hostile neighborhood but are surrounded by 2 N powers with whom we've fought wars of which 1 is an existential threat expecting the most daridra service in terms of budget allocation to go in for the equivalent of platinum as far as our defence goes.
It's one thing for RST to attempt to pass on his fantasies as facts which both he & we're habituated to though I'm probably the only one left calling him out , the others having long given up , but I'm surprised somebody as sane as you're concurring with him , with caveats of course.
It's just a chai biskoot discussion at this point. MDLs sub assembly line is idling away and file pushing continues.
Hope December brings in good tidings.
Hope December brings in good tidings.
SSK sizes and displacements are climbing up, making them more fruitful.
DPSUs scored contracts before rules were changed. There's a new procurement process in place, but no new programs. LHD was supposed to go do the private sector.
India has a massive titanium extraction program for defense and space programs.
And any attempt to use titanium on subs will happen after P76 and SSNs, so this is a 2050+ gambit.
And any attempt to use titanium on subs will happen after P76 and SSNs, so this is a 2050+ gambit.