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Who knows, you could ask rosboronexport they might as well give you a demo.
Aren't we already experiencing delays we need atleast 700 fighters to hold both the Chinese and Pakistanis. Piecemeal orders won't real improve the situation much.
But is it possible always? For example one technology uses microbes. Second uses aeration. Vastly different methods, with different results. Both can achieve same result with different levels of costing. Both can be made L1 if data is insufficient. Unless, data is complete, impossible to do cost comparisons. The auditors will look at L1. And like I said, either can be made to look L1.
Yes, it is. When you are following rules laid out by the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP). Otherwise, its how corruption/scandals happen.
If it is a g2g deal, its highly unlikely that we ordering more Rafale in g2g route.
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The 7 in April is certainly because the training of the Indian pilots will be finished.
Due to the hostility of the Muslims towards France at the moment there will be no stopover in UAE but a non-stop flight from France to India with several in-flight refuelling.
But France has a Base in UAE , you can use it
Inflight Refuelling will make the journey difficult for the pilots
Greece to Buy 10 Rafale Jets, Receive 8 More as ‘Donation’ from France
Greece to Buy 10 Rafale Jets, Receive 8 More as ‘Donation’ from France
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French Rafale Jets on Exercise in Greece
France and Greece have reached an agreement for the latter to acquire 18 Rafale fighter jets of which 10 will be sold and the remaining 8 will given away as ‘donation.’
“Contacts between the two sides are at a very advanced level, with those who know the background expressing the assessment that within 2020 the agreement will have been officially announced," Greek publication, Pentapostagma reported quoting source aware of the deal.
The jets would be fully armed versions ready for immediate deployment as Greece faces up to an incresingly belligerent Turkey over territorial dispute in the Eastern Mediterranean. Recently Greek and Turkish F-16 jets were briefly engaged in a 'dogfight,' reports said.
Based on what has been leaked so far, the agreement seems to be moving at two levels. The first provides for the donation of eight fighter jets from the French Air Force to the Greek AF and the second the purchase of ten brand new Rafale from France.
The eight planes that will be given as a “gift” are used jets from French Air Force inventory. These are the ones that attacked the Al Watiya air base in Libya a couple of months ago causing damage to Turkish air defence systems, the publication reported.
The 10 brand new fighters that are to be purchased will come from the stock being built for the Egyptian Air Force. The two governments are expecting to reach an agreement with Egypt to divert 10 of 20 jets meant for Egypt to Greece. The remaining 10 for Egypt would be delivered later.
Egypt had ordered 24 Rafale jets in 2014 of which 4 have been delivered and 10 are in process.
The Greek air force primarily consists of old F-16 jets which will modernized by the United States to the F-16V standard making them more lethal than the F-16s with Turkey. However, the deal was signed only in 2019 with Lockheed Martin and it will not be until 2022 when the first modernized F-16 rolls out.
In the meantime, Greece’s relations with Turkey have worsened with the latter using its greater military muscle to force Greece to back off from enforcing its territorial claim in the Eastern Mediterranean.
France has unequivocally sided with Greece even flying two Rafale fighter jets for exercises with the Greek Air Force in recent weeks.
@Picdelamirand-oil is this just a rumour or genuine report? If yeas,why they are going for f35?
I don't know.
Maybe they need to induct a lot of planes quickly because of the tension with Turkey.
Greece is expected to receive 20 F35A, including 6 initially built for Turkey
The Greek press reveals today that during the visit of Mike Pompeo, the American Secretary of State, to Athens, the latter would have authorized the
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Pakistan warns India is planning attack with new fighter jets
PAKISTAN has said India is planning a military operation just a few weeks after New Delhi introduced new fighter jets into its Air ForcePakistan’s Air Force Marshal, Mujahid Anwar Khan, claimed India is planning an offensive in an attempt to spread conflict. He expressed his fears while speaking at the Centre for Aerospace and Security Studies in Pakistan.
Mr Khan said that Indian forces will come within 5 kilometres to prove their dominance in the air.
He added that India will attempt to inflect “conflict beyond Kashmir and at international border”.
The Air Marshal said: "I would imagine India offensive in 18-24 months.
“As it received a sizeable number meteor equipped Rafale from France.
“Only this time she will enter deeper than 5 kilometres and engage multiple targets to stamp its superiority in the aerospace domain.
“I imagine India's willingness to spread the conflict in the air beyond Kashmir and possibly at the international border."
Mr Khan’s statement comes just a few days after Indian Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria told a press conference about the induction of the new fighter jets.
India introduced the new Rafale jets into its Air Force earlier this month.
The Indian Air Chief Marshal said the country was ready to handle a possible two-front war with China and Pakistan.
He said: "The integration of Rafales brings in a platform which is way ahead and would give us an edge and capability to strike first and deep.
"Indian Air Force is ready for any possible conflict including a two-front war.”
He added: "Our position as a credible combat-ready force is vital, given the role Air Force will play towards ensuring victory in any future conflict.
“The emerging threat scenario in our neighbourhood and beyond mandates need to have a robust capability to fight across the entire spectrum of warfare.
“I can share with you with confidence that operationally, we are amongst the best."
Mr Bhadauria also spoke about India’s ongoing standoff with China.
He said: "The talks towards disengagement, followed by de-escalation, are on. We hope that the talks will progress along the lines that are expected."
Mr Bhadauria also insisted that the Indian Air Force is “well-positioned” for any conflict.
Last year, Pakistan said it shot down two Indian military jets in an attack over Kashmir.
The two sides both claim the whole of Kashmir as its territory but only control parts of it.
The aerial attacks across the border in Kashmir were the first since a war in 1971.
Last year, India formally divided the state of Jammu and Kashmir into two federally-administered territories.
It was part of a move to tighten India’s control over the part of Kashmir it controls.
Useless people, with mere 36 rafale aircraft we cannot fight Pakistan.
May be or they want to drag USA completely in to their side. But i think f35 do have some really good punch, which no other aircraft in current market can offer.I don't know.
Maybe they need to induct a lot of planes quickly because of the tension with Turkey.
Greece is expected to receive 20 F35A, including 6 initially built for Turkey
The Greek press reveals today that during the visit of Mike Pompeo, the American Secretary of State, to Athens, the latter would have authorized the
I don't know.
Maybe they need to induct a lot of planes quickly because of the tension with Turkey.
Greece is expected to receive 20 F35A, including 6 initially built for Turkey
The Greek press reveals today that during the visit of Mike Pompeo, the American Secretary of State, to Athens, the latter would have authorized the
That's a proper slap on Turkey's face. With 6 each of Rafale and F-35 by 2021, they have got something going against Turkey's previous generation fighter fleet, and that was some quick decision making.
Anyway, Greece operates both M2000 and F-16. Upgrading to the Rafale and F-35 was a given.
Turkey need a punishment, they are enjoying the NATO security envelope and flavouring the countries with fundamentalism as ideology.
Greece should allow France to open a naval base in the Aegean
France’s policy in the Middle East and North Africa marked by Charles de Gaulle’s heritage, placed France in a counterweight position, in a region dominated previously by the Americans and the Soviets.Paris’ policy in the region is structured around three pillars.
First: A human rights discourse, under which France legitimized its intervention in Libya.
Second: A security logic, which insists on the primacy of the fight against radical Islam and terrorism under which France intervened in Syria alongside the Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) against ISIS.
Third: An economic strategy, which led to the alignment of new alliances and its own economic interests. One of these countries is Egypt, which is a key ally of the Libyan Parliament based in Tobrouk. Its rival is the Turkish-backed government in the Libyan capital of Tripoli whose mandate expired in December 2017.
Turkey and France have been locked in an escalating war of words over Libya. This reflects their contrasting interests in the conflict in the oil-rich Northern African country. Ankara has sent weapons and military advisers to help the UN-backed government in Tripoli and pushed back the forces of Tobruk, which is backed by powers including Russia, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates (UAE).
Even in the Middle East, Turkey and France have contrasting interests in Lebanon and Syria, with each party helping different local players.
Turkey’s expansionist policies in Middle East and Africa does not stop there but have expanded also in the waters of the Eastern Mediterranean, bringing it close to a collision course with Greece and Cyprus. Naturally, those two countries came close to France and their common allies in the region.
Turkey has pursued an aggressive gas exploration effort. Its research vessel is searching inside Greece’s maritime area (according to the Maritime Law Convention of 1983 that Turkey has not signed) and is protected by warships of the Turkish Navy. There it encountered rival Greek vessels. Even when a Turkish frigate was damaged trying to hit a Greek one, Turkey did not withdraw its forces.
Tensions remain high as Turkey continues to threaten chaos and war, as Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has stated numerous times to his domestic audience and to the diplomatic channels abroad.
A German delegation that tried to end the crisis failed miserably as it fell on Turkish deaf ears.
France has become involved siding with Greece, sending warplanes and ships alongside the UAE, which is a mutual ally of both Greece and France. Turkey pursues a much more assertive foreign policy, which some have likened to a resurgence of the old Ottoman Empire.
The geographical horizons of Erdoğan have certainly expanded.
Turkey’s strategic stance has shifted since the end of the Cold War with the demise of the staunchly secular state and its replacement with an Islamist one which grows each passing year.
The ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) saw a dynamic and growing Turkish economy to help establish the nation as a player with regional reach. Recently, Turkey’s economy may have faltered, but Erdoğan shows no sign of drawing in his horns.
On the other side, after a financial crisis that lasted nearly a decade, Greece is working to modernize its navy, upgrade its fleet of F-16 fighter jets and strengthen military ties with traditional allies, as well as Turkey’s regional rivals, including Israel, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia.
What should be the country’s reaction to this growing threat? The answer is more cooperation with allies in all sectors. Greece also may offer to France something that it lacks in the region.
A steady base of operations as United Kingdom has in Cyprus.
With this move, only benefits can come for both sides.
A place of such a base could be the island of Leros at the Dodecanese islands which already has naval installations and can be used within a short period of time hosting warships of almost every type. Of course there are other locations that can host the French Navy in the Greek islands or even Cyprus that still today has 40% of its land under Turkish occupation since 1974 with the excuse of protecting the Turkish Cypriot minority.
France will benefit immensely as it can use such a base for its anti-terror operations in the Middle East and increase its naval operations and influence in the region. In exchange Greece, Cyprus and France will sign a mutual military pact in case of conflict that may occur, marking a new era for the people of all participants.
I dont understand why u still allowing Turkey to be a part of NATO. Its anti democratic, terror funder & a fundamentalistic country.