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Unfortunately, NATO was not designed with a mechanism to kick members out.

And the USA have never liked democracy, they just pretend they do. In practice they prefer fascism, as evidenced by their entire history of meddling in South America as well as their creation of the "Gladio"/"Stay Behind" network of fascist militias in Europe and yes, also in Turkey (the Gray Wolves were created by the CIA). Fascism means a government that can impose America's will on its own citizens; democracy means a government that will follow its own citizens' will instead of doing what Washington wants.
 
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Hydra said:
I dont understand why u still allowing Turkey to be a part of NATO. Its anti democratic, terror funder & a fundamentalistic country.
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'Cause the US would rather keep Turkey on their side than let them go to Russia/China.

Turkey has a border with the main problem countries in the Middle East; Iran, Syria and Iraq, also Armenia and Georgia. And the only country that has a capable fleet in the Black Sea. And NATO definitely need Turkey's support if they are to operate in the Black Sea. Basically geography plays a very important role when it comes to building relationships with certain countries, which is also why Pakistan is more important to the West when it comes to Iran and Central Asia compared to India.

America's main problem is Erdogan, not Turkey. Once Erdogan loses power, Turkey will go back to normal. Or at least that's the hope.
 
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Erdogan is not really the problem; his neo-ottoman ideology is. He's done a lot to unravel Atatürk's legacy of westernization, and now the genie is out of the bottle. Turkey isn't going to go back on its previous tracks, because Erdogan burned a lot of bridges to maintain his grasp on power. These bridges will remain burnt even after he leaves.
 
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Picdelamirand-oil said:
All this doesn't bother the USA!!!!
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If you really want to piss Erdogan, send weapons and imagery help to Armenia. Bomb a few Azeri sites. Sit back and watch the fun.

Russia will be forced to give enhanced help, else Armenia slips out of its grip. Turks will have to step in or it will result in Azeri withdrawals. If Turks step in, Russia will be forced to step in, else Armenia will drift west. Win win for France.
 
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If you really want to piss Erdogan, send weapons and imagery help to Armenia. Bomb a few Azeri sites. Sit back and watch the fun.

Russia will be forced to give enhanced help, else Armenia slips out of its grip. Turks will have to step in or it will result in Azeri withdrawals. If Turks step in, Russia will be forced to step in, else Armenia will drift west. Win win for France.
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I share the sentiment, however it's not that easy.

Firstly, there's geography. Armenia is bordered by Turkey and Azerbaijan (hostile to Armenia), Georgia (neutral but unfriendly to Armenia), and Iran (neutral but unfriendly to France). So there's no easy path to reinforce Armenia. Even Russia, which is much closer to Armenia than France is, has to go through Iran, which is one reason why Azerbaijan's top priority was to secure the Artsakh border with Iran.

Secondly there's logistics. Even if a pathway could be opened, the fact remains that the French military is sized for post-Cold War deterrence and one or two low-intensity crisis at a time. These forces are already stretched thin by Barkhane, Chammal, NATO missions such as Baltic Air Policing, and the Sentinel patrols at home. To make things worse, there's talks of providing the Greeks and maybe even the Croats with a dozen Rafale aircraft each take from the AdlA's fleet.

Thirdly, there's politics. France, unfortunately, never recognized the breakaway Republic of Artsakh, as part of a general policy of not recognizing breakaway states as long as the conflict isn't resolved peacefully. (Kosovo being an exception due to American pressure.) That makes it hard to justify an intervention.
 
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A Person said:
Erdogan is not really the problem; his neo-ottoman ideology is. He's done a lot to unravel Atatürk's legacy of westernization, and now the genie is out of the bottle. Turkey isn't going to go back on its previous tracks, because Erdogan burned a lot of bridges to maintain his grasp on power. These bridges will remain burnt even after he leaves.
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Since the change is recent, one hopes better sense would prevail amongst the Turks.
 

Indian Air Force to get a big Rafale boost, 16 fighters to land by April​

While France is willing to offer more Rafale fighters to India, Safran’s offer of making the Snecma M88 engines in India, four years from the day the contract is signed, is a welcome proposal, said the officials cited above.

Not only will the M-88 engines be used by Rafale fighters but these can also be deployed to power Light Combat Aircraft Mark II and twin-engine advanced multi-role combat aircraft developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). The IAF plans to buy 83 LCA Mark I A jets, taking the total number of Tejas variants ordered to 123. Safran is said to be willing to offer engines with no third-country spare parts so that no additional approvals are needed, and with 100% indigenisation. The French offer may come up for discussion during foreign secretary Harsh Shringla’s visit to France, the UK and Germany, starting from Paris this Thursday. While DRDO can continue developing its own fighter engine, the Safran engine will fill the gap between development and manufacture.

Only the US, Russia and France have the capacity to produce fighter jet engines, with China still using the Russian RD-93 and RD-33 engines to power its jet fighters such as the J-31 and the JF-17.
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Ashwin said:
There is no F15ex for india now or never.
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Let's see. One month ago everybody was scoffing at the idea of f15 even being considered in the mmrca now there are rumours of them being bought in a g2g deal. Now even "officials" are saying that the IAF is interested in getting the f15. These type of rumours did not even come up for either the f18 or f16. Personally even I wasn't expecting these type of news "leaks" to happen.
So in my opinion f15 chances have only increased from the previous 1% to atleast a 20% chance of them joining the IAF. And f15 will be a great replacement for our jaguars,mig27 and mig 23. And I'm assuming the IAF also thinks so..
 
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