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CEAM: experimenting with infrared vulnerability
Update: 17/07/2020 - Management: DICOD
On Tuesday 7 July 2020, the Electronic Warfare Programming and Training Squadron (EPIGE) of the Centre d'expertise aérienne militaire (CEAM) carried out an experiment with Rafale aircraft carrying out manoeuvres simulating cannon fire or bombing passes.
These manoeuvres made it possible to implement several types of more or less modern instrumented infrared guidance seeker-brakes, representing the variety of low and very low altitude anti-aircraft defence systems.
During the experiment, the Rafale pilots carried out several passes with different slopes and different resources in order to consolidate operational recommendations for crews faced with this type of threat. EPIGE staff were also able to collect as much data as possible for subsequent analysis in collaboration with the DGA and the preparation of a second phase of the campaign.
With the latter, the CEAM's experts are also enabling the crews to optimise the attack procedures during which the aircraft are particularly exposed and to develop the associated tactics that they will repeat during training and exercises.
Update: 17/07/2020 - Management: DICOD
On Tuesday 7 July 2020, the Electronic Warfare Programming and Training Squadron (EPIGE) of the Centre d'expertise aérienne militaire (CEAM) carried out an experiment with Rafale aircraft carrying out manoeuvres simulating cannon fire or bombing passes.
These manoeuvres made it possible to implement several types of more or less modern instrumented infrared guidance seeker-brakes, representing the variety of low and very low altitude anti-aircraft defence systems.
During the experiment, the Rafale pilots carried out several passes with different slopes and different resources in order to consolidate operational recommendations for crews faced with this type of threat. EPIGE staff were also able to collect as much data as possible for subsequent analysis in collaboration with the DGA and the preparation of a second phase of the campaign.
With the latter, the CEAM's experts are also enabling the crews to optimise the attack procedures during which the aircraft are particularly exposed and to develop the associated tactics that they will repeat during training and exercises.
Less monstruous than the drop tank
It should also be noted that the range given for the AASM-1000 is therefore the same as for the AAASM-250 (20 to 70 km, depending on the altitude and speed of the Rafale).
Do french government have any program for longer range missiles? The 600-700 km range scalp is handicapped in range while you comparing with that of US airforce.Less monstruous than the drop tank
It should also be noted that the range given for the AASM-1000 is therefore the same as for the AAASM-250 (20 to 70 km, depending on the altitude and speed of the Rafale).
In every possible scenario, we find that density of air defences reduces as we go deeper into the enemy territory. Rafale with terrain hugging flight is unbeatable to do that which reduces the need for very long-range missiles and the associated cost.
MDCN which is a kind of SCALP launch from boat have a 1000 - 1400 km range.
It is planned that it will be able to fly with the light version of the Brahmos.
So India will be allowed to field it's own weapons on Rafale ? that's pretty cool
Yep. Whatever we want. Not just Indian either. We are getting British and Israeli weapons as well.
Dassault Rafale Jets Get Talios Laser Designation Pods; Will India Acquire The French ‘Eye In The Sky’?
The French Air and Space Force announced the initial operational capability (IOC) of the Talios laser designation pod on the Dassault Rafale F3-R multi-role fighter. The first flight of the F3R standard jet, which took place in September, saw an Indian air force (IAF) pilot operating from the rear-seat of the twin-seater jet.
The new Talios (Targeting Long-Range Identification Optronic System) targeting and laser designator pod, designed by Thales, brings full day and night surveillance and laser designation capability to the Rafale, with metric precision. It permits laser-guided weapons to be delivered at stand-off range and altitude.
The IR sensor of the Talios pod operates in the mid-wave infrared band and is coupled to a high-resolution new generation TV sensor.
The Indian Air Force (IAF), which has also acquired the multi-role Rafale fighters from France, was given the demonstration capabilities of the Talios pod in the air-to-air, air-to-ground, and air-to-sea domains, last month, according to the French Ministry of Defence.
The addition of Talios pod has enhanced the target acquisition system of the Rafales, which was earlier considered a disadvantage for the fighter.
The system is yet to be acquired by the Indian Air Force, which has been using variants of the Litening target acquisition system from Israel’s Rafael for several years now. Rafael had announced the supply of 164 Litening pods to the Indian Air Force in 2016.
Several fighter aircraft of the IAF currently employ the Litening, including the Mirage-2000, Jaguar, and Su-30MKI.
The IAF has opted for the HAMMER weapon system to be deployed on the Rafale, which originally comes with a Talios pod for firing. The Talios Pod could prove effective in delivering laser-guided bombs, especially in the Ladakh situation with China, when there is no better targeting system in existence.
Whether India agrees to acquire the Talios for its Rafale jets is unclear, and it will depend on the outcome of the Ladakh face-off. However, if deployed, the system will allow IAF to dominate all its adversaries in the optronics sector, giving the Indian pilots a unique edge while engaging this ‘eye in the sky.’
The October 29 tests, as announced by the French Ministry of Defense, conducted in an unnamed squadron manned by the Rafale, have indicated significant initial operational readiness of the system. The Talios is now believed to be capable of working in a full-fledged combat operation.
The system combines targeting and tactical recce capabilities in a single pod. It delivers unmatched image quality, including color imagery, and disruptive capabilities such as Permanent Visio and embedded artificial intelligence to provide combat aircraft pilots and ground forces with reliable situational awareness in real-time, according to Thales.
Flight-tested for the first time in 2016, Talios was successfully qualified by the French defense procurement agency in 2018 for deployment by Dassault’s Rafale Omni-role aircraft. The new-generation pod has been delivered to French forces and is now fully combat-ready.
Designed with support from the French defense procurement agency, Talios is the first and only system merging high-performance targeting and reconnaissance features in a single pod, covering the entire decision chain, from intelligence gathering through to threat neutralization.
Talios’ high-resolution sensor system can scan a wide area to search for targets in reconnaissance mode and, subsequently, moving target acquisition and tracking modes. The system generates a 3D mapping of the target area. The onboard artificial intelligence (AI) allows for automatic target recognition and target acquisition.
The pod supports deep strike with long-range bombs and missiles, air-to-air target identification, close air support (CAS), and Non-Traditional Information, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance.
What separates TALIOS from its predecessor DAMOCLES is the deployment of an advanced long-distance camera and the modernization of the IR band II (infrared) sensor. The human-system interface in Talios comes redesigned to giving the pilot all of the information required for understanding a complex tactical situation.
Damocles was also criticized for the lack of a “daytime” optical channel and other shortcomings, a feature which has been equipped in the Talios pod. The system is expected to gradually equip all Rafale squadrons of France’s Air and Space Force and will be deployed in foreign theaters of operation.
The French Air and Space Force announced the initial operational capability (IOC) of the Talios laser designation pod on the Dassault Rafale F3-R multi-role fighter. The first flight of the F3R standard jet, which took place in September, saw an Indian air force (IAF) pilot operating from the rear-seat of the twin-seater jet.
The new Talios (Targeting Long-Range Identification Optronic System) targeting and laser designator pod, designed by Thales, brings full day and night surveillance and laser designation capability to the Rafale, with metric precision. It permits laser-guided weapons to be delivered at stand-off range and altitude.
The IR sensor of the Talios pod operates in the mid-wave infrared band and is coupled to a high-resolution new generation TV sensor.
The Indian Air Force (IAF), which has also acquired the multi-role Rafale fighters from France, was given the demonstration capabilities of the Talios pod in the air-to-air, air-to-ground, and air-to-sea domains, last month, according to the French Ministry of Defence.
The addition of Talios pod has enhanced the target acquisition system of the Rafales, which was earlier considered a disadvantage for the fighter.
The system is yet to be acquired by the Indian Air Force, which has been using variants of the Litening target acquisition system from Israel’s Rafael for several years now. Rafael had announced the supply of 164 Litening pods to the Indian Air Force in 2016.
Several fighter aircraft of the IAF currently employ the Litening, including the Mirage-2000, Jaguar, and Su-30MKI.
The IAF has opted for the HAMMER weapon system to be deployed on the Rafale, which originally comes with a Talios pod for firing. The Talios Pod could prove effective in delivering laser-guided bombs, especially in the Ladakh situation with China, when there is no better targeting system in existence.
Whether India agrees to acquire the Talios for its Rafale jets is unclear, and it will depend on the outcome of the Ladakh face-off. However, if deployed, the system will allow IAF to dominate all its adversaries in the optronics sector, giving the Indian pilots a unique edge while engaging this ‘eye in the sky.’
The October 29 tests, as announced by the French Ministry of Defense, conducted in an unnamed squadron manned by the Rafale, have indicated significant initial operational readiness of the system. The Talios is now believed to be capable of working in a full-fledged combat operation.
The system combines targeting and tactical recce capabilities in a single pod. It delivers unmatched image quality, including color imagery, and disruptive capabilities such as Permanent Visio and embedded artificial intelligence to provide combat aircraft pilots and ground forces with reliable situational awareness in real-time, according to Thales.
Flight-tested for the first time in 2016, Talios was successfully qualified by the French defense procurement agency in 2018 for deployment by Dassault’s Rafale Omni-role aircraft. The new-generation pod has been delivered to French forces and is now fully combat-ready.
Designed with support from the French defense procurement agency, Talios is the first and only system merging high-performance targeting and reconnaissance features in a single pod, covering the entire decision chain, from intelligence gathering through to threat neutralization.
Talios’ high-resolution sensor system can scan a wide area to search for targets in reconnaissance mode and, subsequently, moving target acquisition and tracking modes. The system generates a 3D mapping of the target area. The onboard artificial intelligence (AI) allows for automatic target recognition and target acquisition.
The pod supports deep strike with long-range bombs and missiles, air-to-air target identification, close air support (CAS), and Non-Traditional Information, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance.
What separates TALIOS from its predecessor DAMOCLES is the deployment of an advanced long-distance camera and the modernization of the IR band II (infrared) sensor. The human-system interface in Talios comes redesigned to giving the pilot all of the information required for understanding a complex tactical situation.
Damocles was also criticized for the lack of a “daytime” optical channel and other shortcomings, a feature which has been equipped in the Talios pod. The system is expected to gradually equip all Rafale squadrons of France’s Air and Space Force and will be deployed in foreign theaters of operation.
Not directly, but related. France just ordered 13 Falcon 2000 SURMAR. Only the 3 first to be built in France. The rest will be built in India. Les Armées commandent douze Falcon 2000 Albatros
Israeli : it is SPICE. Maybe more? some news about that?
British ? It was rumored that ALARM missile will be fitted, but ALARM missile is no more on production.... something else?
SPICE yes, with Litening pod. The rumour mill did say ALARM, but we have our own ARM coming up, so any import's chances are reduced. But the IAF is interested in Brimstone and SPEAR family for fleetwide inductions, including for the MKI. France lacks weapons in both categories.
Armies order twelve Falcon 2000 Albatros
The first three Falcon 2000 aircraft are scheduled for delivery in 2025 and the last ones in the early 2030s.
Florence Parly announced this Thursday an order for twelve Falcon 2000 maritime surveillance aircraft from Dassault Aviation (1), during a visit to one of the manufacturer's factories in Seclin (Hauts de France). This order will be carried out in two stages, with a first firm batch of 7 aircraft this year and a second (5 aircraft) in 2025. This last instalment is conditional. The Minister of the Armed Forces is committed to renewing an ageing fleet, consisting of five Falcon 200s (45 years old at the time of their retirement from service in 2025) and eight Falcon 50s (48 years old in 2029).
This order, worth 1.3 billion euros, is good news for Dassault and its partners. Naval Group will supply the mission system for the Albatros, the name chosen by the military, Thales, the radars and Safran, the optronics ball. "This contract will generate 100 jobs at Dassault during the development phase and 50 during the production and support phase," summarises the French Ministry of the Armed Forces. "The first three aircraft will be manufactured in France and the others in Nagpur, India, as part of the counterparts linked to the Rafale contract in India," added the Hôtel de Brienne.
Delivery of the first three Falcon 2000 aircraft is scheduled for 2025 and the last ones for the beginning of the 2030s. The Albatross fleet will operate in a context of increasing traffic at sea, illegal fishing, accidents and pollution events. The aircraft could find international buyers. "The Falcon 2000 Albatros is a high-performance aircraft equipped with a latest-generation mission system and sensors. (...) Several countries are interested in these aircraft, which are an effective response to the considerable challenges of maritime protection and safety and government action at sea," says Eric Trappier, CEO of Dassault Aviation.
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