Rafale DH/EH of Indian Air Force : News and Discussions

We need Rafale to win the Swiss and Finnish deals, and also close a deal for an additional 24-36 jets for Qatar along with 36-48 jets for Indonesia, followed by a second deal of 36 for India and possibly a squadron for Morocco. The collective orders will be 200+ and will force Dassault to open up the Indian line for Rafale exports. The bigger the orders, the better for India.
No more Rafale for Qatar : the relations between Qatar and France are being worst due to our fight against internal islam integrism.
 
That is a huge assumption. So need to take it with a pinch of salt.

Which part is an assumption? DRAL claims Indian-made Rafales will be 20% cheaper.

And Indian production is definitely cheaper since CPFH of the M2000 for spares and maintenance in India is $4000 while in France it's €8000. So the real savings will be in the LCC.
 
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Which part is an assumption? DRAL claims Indian-made Rafales will be 20% cheaper.

And Indian production is definitely cheaper since CPFH of the M2000 for spares and maintenance in India is $4000 while in France it's €8000. So the real savings will be in the LCC.
It comes from a SENAT report when you divide all expense done during a year for M 2K by the number of hours of fligh done by Mirage 2000. In the same report the CPFH for Rafale is only € 10500. :)
 
And Indian production is definitely cheaper since CPFH of the M2000 for spares and maintenance in India is $4000 while in France it's €8000. So the real savings will be in the LCC.
Beware that every country has its own way of calculating CPFH, as they don't all take into account the same set of things, so there's always an apple-and-orange factor when comparing costs across countries.
 
Which part is an assumption? DRAL claims Indian-made Rafales will be 20% cheaper.

And Indian production is definitely cheaper since CPFH of the M2000 for spares and maintenance in India is $4000 while in France it's €8000. So the real savings will be in the LCC.
Yeah. Manufacturing in India will be cheaper. Instead of going to CPFH, if you just take the upfront cost of manufacturing a Rafale in India, for a short run of 114 jets, it might be expensive, unless France allows us to manufacture more jets for other countries. The profits from that will offset the cost a bit. Trust me, I want to be wrong and it will cost less (% doesn't matter) to manufacture Rafale in India on a production run of 114 jets. Let us all hope the deal is signed in the next year or two.
 
Beware that every country has its own way of calculating CPFH, as they don't all take into account the same set of things, so there's always an apple-and-orange factor when comparing costs across countries.

That's true. But I don't think it's that different for India and France when it comes to fighter jets. We take supplies based on how you guys do it. We train the same way, have the same flight hours, same maintenance procedures etc.
 
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Yeah. Manufacturing in India will be cheaper. Instead of going to CPFH, if you just take the upfront cost of manufacturing a Rafale in India, for a short run of 114 jets, it might be expensive, unless France allows us to manufacture more jets for other countries. The profits from that will offset the cost a bit. Trust me, I want to be wrong and it will cost less (% doesn't matter) to manufacture Rafale in India on a production run of 114 jets. Let us all hope the deal is signed in the next year or two.

We will be lucky to see a shortlist in 2 years, considering the RFP even goes out in a few months, which is a bit difficult to predict right now. I'm hoping for a signature before 2025.
 
We will be lucky to see a shortlist in 2 years, considering the RFP even goes out in a few months, which is a bit difficult to predict right now. I'm hoping for a signature before 2025.
If no signature before 2024 and modi/bjp failed to comeback in 2024, its sayanora rafale/mmrca2, And RIP IAF modernisation.
 
If no signature before 2024 and modi/bjp failed to comeback in 2024, its sayanora rafale/mmrca2, And RIP IAF modernisation.

Not really. If tenders survive until the contract stage during a transition, then the likelihood of signature is quite high, as long as contract negotiations are going fine.
 
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Not really. If tenders survive until the contract stage during a transition, then the likelihood of signature is quite high, as long as contract negotiations are going fine.
Politicians can delay or scrap the defense procurement altogether, they are capable to do that. Imagine Antony type DM coming to that chair in 2024, he will scrap the tendering process.
Dassault will be praying RaGa remains head of the Congress. Then we can wait for another 10-15 years also.
I am having so much against this current government, but i do agree that with Raga as PM will make so much damage to our defense forces than Morarji Desai did in past.
 
Politicians can delay or scrap the defense procurement altogether, they are capable to do that. Imagine Antony type DM coming to that chair in 2024, he will scrap the tendering process.

I am having so much against this current government, but i do agree that with Raga as PM will make so much damage to our defense forces than Morarji Desai did in past.

If RaGa wins, he will definitely not cancel the deal. He will actually make himself sound good by claiming he was the one who brought Rafale production and ToT into India. All he has to do is delay the contract signature to end 2025 or early 2026, so he can claim credit to the successful negotiations that "he conducted". Modi pretty much did the same with the Apache and Chinook contracts, although not deliberately.

Naturally, it's in Modi's interests that he signs the deal before elections. But that depends entirely on the process itself.
 
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Dassault will be praying RaGa remains head of the Congress. Then we can wait for another 10-15 years also.
Right now he is in Milan.
LoL, until few days back he was flooding twitter against “Draconian Farm Laws” as if he himself was suffering hard from possible uncertainity over MSP on wheat and rice.

Funny but people don’t visit their GFs that often RaGa visits Thailand and Italy.
True descendant of his great grandfather.
 
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Right now he is in Milan.
LoL, until few days back he was flooding twitter against “Draconian Farm Laws” as if he himself was suffering hard from possible uncertainity over MSP on wheat and rice.

Funny but people don’t visit their GFs that often RaGa visits Thailand and Italy.
True descendant of his great grandfather.

He has always been an unwilling politician.
 
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If RaGa wins, he will definitely not cancel the deal. He will actually make himself sound good by claiming he was the one who brought Rafale production and ToT into India. All he has to do is delay the contract signature to end 2025 or early 2026, so he can claim credit to the successful negotiations that "he conducted". Modi pretty much did the same with the Apache and Chinook contracts, although not deliberately.

Naturally, it's in Modi's interests that he signs the deal before elections. But that depends entirely on the process itself.
If he was that much practical, he would have become pm in 2009 itself, atleast he would have made congress a comeback.
 
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