Rafale DH/EH of Indian Air Force : News and Discussions

randomradio said:
'Cause of Typhoon's performance, which the Mig-29 cannot compare with. But that's not the point. Because the IAF's Mig-29 is not going to be fighting the Typhoon. The Mig-35 offered to India was basically a Mig-29UPG with a new airframe and an AESA radar. The latest Mig-35 is completely different.

We will continue this discussion once Typhoon gets sensor fusion and a capable SDR. Until that happens, it will remain inferior to the Mig-29, because it's not just its own systems, the Mig-29UPG can fuse information from AWACS, ground radars, other fighter jets, drones etc. So any limitations of its own sensors will become irrelevant. Without sensor fusion and SDR, the Typhoon is still a 4th gen aircraft.

Also you have to remember that MMRCA evaluations were 12 years ago. Times have changed a lot since then.
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All the players in mmrca1 have improved their toys tremendously, i guess. And with out any domestic orders and government support, how much potent really Mig35 is highly doubtful.

If Mig 35 had gone tremendous improvement as you said, what will be Rafale's chance in mmrca2 tendor? And how close mig35 to Rafale on capabilities?
 
Hydra said:
All the players in mmrca1 have improved their toys tremendously, i guess. And with out any domestic orders and government support, how much potent really Mig35 is highly doubtful.
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Except Typhoon.

Hydra said:
If Mig 35 had gone tremendous improvement as you said, what will be Rafale's chance in mmrca2 tendor? And how close mig35 to Rafale on capabilities?
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No chance. This is again a contest between Rafale and Typhoon.

Gripen and F-21 are single engine. F-21 is too old. So neither have a chance.
Mig-35 and Su-35 are too old. Su-35 duplicates the MKI's capabilities, it's too big and heavy. Plus Russian, we don't want Russian.
F-15EX is also too old. F-15 is 50-year-old tech. Duplicates MKI, it's too big and heavy.
SH may have chances, but it can't compete with Rafale and Typhoon for T1. Plus old gen avionics, like the other American jets.

The only way for America to compete would be to participate with the F-35. But since the Russians are involved, the Americans won't enter with the F-35. And Russia has no chance simply because we operate 270 MKIs.

Strictly comparing Mig-35 and Rafale, the Mig-35 doesn't even come up to the same level as the Rafale from 2012. The Mig-35 would be the best Mig jet, but it's not next gen like the Rafale. It won't even have half the capabilities needed. It's only relevant until the time PAF and PLAAF operate the F-16 and J-10, which could be around 2040-50. But we want to operate MRFA until 2070, which is why not just the Mig-35, but none of the other jets except Rafale and Typhoon are suitable.
 
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www.swissinfo.ch

US approves sale of jets and missiles to Switzerland

The US State Department has given the green light for the potential sale of two types of fighter jets and missile systems to Switzerland.
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On Wednesday, in a move that would pave the way for the export of either of the US jets, the US State Department approved the potential sale of 40 F-35A's spare parts, munitions and training for a total estimated cost of $6.58 billion.

The State Department also approved the potential sale of 40 F/A-18E/F Super Hornet jets, spares munitions and training as well as related equipment for an estimated cost of $7.45 billion.

Interesting to see the F-35 is cheaper than the SH. I suppose adding ground infrastructure would change the equation because of ALIS.
 
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A Rafale coming out of hyperspace​

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For internal political reasons, Switzerland is IMO unlikely to choose an American aircraft. The country is extremely safe, since it's 1. neutral, 2. the safekeeper for the wealth of the elites from just about every country in the world, and 3. entirely surrounded by NATO. As a result, a lot of Swiss are pacifists -- there's even an entire advocacy group lobbying for getting rid of the military forces altogether. Switzerland is also extremely democratic, so just about every important decision is subjected to popular vote. On the vote to renew the air force, there was just the slightest majority in favor: 50.1% for. Now some leftist parties are threatening to demand another popular vote if an American aircraft is selected. Given how slim the victory was the last time, it'd make sense if the aircraft chosen is not American, precisely to avoid having to go through another vote.

And since the Saab Gripen was expelled from the contest, if the winner is not American, it's a duel between the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Rafale.
 
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For internal political reasons, Switzerland is IMO unlikely to choose an American aircraft. The country is extremely safe, since it's 1. neutral, 2. the safekeeper for the wealth of the elites from just about every country in the world, and 3. entirely surrounded by NATO. As a result, a lot of Swiss are pacifists -- there's even an entire advocacy group lobbying for getting rid of the military forces altogether. Switzerland is also extremely democratic, so just about every important decision is subjected to popular vote. On the vote to renew the air force, there was just the slightest majority in favor: 50.1% for. Now some leftist parties are threatening to demand another popular vote if an American aircraft is selected. Given how slim the victory was the last time, it'd make sense if the aircraft chosen is not American, precisely to avoid having to go through another vote.

And since the Saab Gripen was expelled from the contest, if the winner is not American, it's a duel between the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Rafale.
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Since the Swiss AF prefer Rafale, the Rafale should have the advantage.
 
The price of the Egyptian contract for the 30 new Rafales is € 3.75 billion which would put the price of 36 to 4.5 billion for a second batch of Rafale.
 
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The price of the Egyptian contract for the 30 new Rafales is € 3.75 billion which would put the price of 36 to 4.5 billion for a second batch of Rafale.
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That's $5.5B at today's exchange rate. So our calculations were correct, after removing infra and ISE.

Indian deal:
3.42 + .353 + .71 = €4.483B or $5.47B = $152B per jet

Egyptian deal:
€3.75B or $4.57B = $152B per jet
 
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Hydra said:
Hi, can pleas tell us more about the optronic instrument on F4.1. How does it differ from the IRST sensor on indian F3R & EF Typhoon's Pirate IRST?

What type of collaboration, i mean on Hammer.
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#picdelamirand-oil can you pls explain to us more about F4.1's optronics & Hammer co development offers?
 
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#picdelamirand-oil can you pls explain to us more about F4.1's optronics & Hammer co development offers?
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I don't know more than what is public, for the Hammer I understood that it would be a question of developing a version having a greater autonomy: I suppose that the Indians asked if it was possible to have a greater autonomy, that the French answered that it was technically possible but not asked by France. The French and Indians agreed then to develop it in cooperation for India.
As far as IRST is concerned, I think it is the same but I do not have the confirmation.
 
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Picdelamirand-oil said:
I don't know more than what is public, for the Hammer I understood that it would be a question of developing a version having a greater autonomy: I suppose that the Indians asked if it was possible to have a greater autonomy, that the French answered that it was technically possible but not asked by France. The French and Indians agreed then to develop it in cooperation for India.
As far as IRST is concerned, I think it is the same but I do not have the confirmation.
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So hammer development is happening already, it doesnt have any relationship with mmrca2 or follow on Rafale order, right?

One more thing, why IAF is asking for more autonomy on Hammer? Is existing hammers are less autonomous than SPICE or our experience ( whatsoever ) on balakot made IAF to seek this autonomous on weapon?
 
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So hammer development is happening already, it doesnt have any relationship with mmrca2 or follow on Rafale order, right?

One more thing, why IAF is asking for more autonomy on Hammer? Is existing hammers are less autonomous than SPICE or our experience ( whatsoever ) on balakot made IAF to seek this autonomous on weapon?
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I don't know if our offers were accepted, for example on the Kaveri they were not accepted. What is certain is that there is a large volume of offset with this contract and that we have to find developments where both parties agree so that the research and development aspect is satisfactory.
To answer the "why" maybe @vstol Jockey would be a good fit.
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
God forbid, if there's a skirmish between Egypt & Israel, like what we had with Pakistan a couple of years ago & a few Rafales go down to Israeli F-35 , F-15 & F-16 combo, you'd spend the rest of your time out here defending Rafales till we come to your rescue in more ways than one.
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And if Rafale shoot down some flying turkeys ? Is it so impossible to imagine from your point of view?

After all the first of 2 F16 shooted down was due to a french Mirage 2000.....
 
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