Rafale DH/EH of Indian Air Force : News and Discussions
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Oy vey we know that you dope! In 2016 it has been 20+ years since your french entered service, gotten heavier but has had no engine upgrade like every US fighter gets. french plane is going to get heavier with F4 yet no new engine. That's pathetic and which is why it loses to the F-35!Yesterday!!! The article is from 14 Mars 2016, 12:00
I do believe you're a Bot, because you repeat the same phrases to the word, as if you had a database of phrases at your disposal. For example here:
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion
not FOC but a new engine already on the drawing board.... interesting. In some people stupid naivete is considered cute and adorable unfortunately that doesn't apply to you. Shall we take a look at your little plane that first flew in 1986? 1. Qualification of the M88-2 engine ended in 1996...
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion
The F-35 is designed to do dog fights, but it may not be competitive enough with more advanced jets coming in. But it's not just dog fights, you need performance in order to dodge missiles or change altitude or accelerate. If current levels of thrust was enough, then the F-35 wouldn't need a...
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion
The F-35 is designed to do dog fights, but it may not be competitive enough with more advanced jets coming in. But it's not just dog fights, you need performance in order to dodge missiles or change altitude or accelerate. If current levels of thrust was enough, then the F-35 wouldn't need a...
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion
Hmm. Your definition of operational use is different from DOD's. The F-35 is Combat Ready and Combat Proven April 20, 2021 Did you know the F-35 is proven in combat with six services having employed the aircraft in combat operations or NATO missions? Highlighted below are some of the ways the...
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion
Can someone explain this picture?? The j20 has -29dBsqm How does it compare to the f35? 0.0012m^2 is -29.5dBsqm 10log10[0.0012] = -29.5 The colours on the sphere shows the reflection magnitude in dB (colour key at bottom) from all aspects around the aircraft. E.g. front mostly pink (-29.5)...
The Rafale is here to stay
Today, the Rafale is at the peak of technology. Its weapon system is not very different from the best of the so-called fifth generation aircraft. It is a weapon system that achieves a perfect balance between technology and kinematics. In addition, it is optimal in terms of maintenance costs, availability, reliability and mass production possibilities.
Ongoing technological advances such as GaN, smart weapons, increased connectivity that enables networked warfare and extended sensors will increase its utility.
The war of the future will be network-centric with human-driven machines and artificial intelligence-driven machines. Winged drones, UCAVs, drone swarms and smart weapons will team up with a manned mothership.
These systems will greatly enhance the utility of the Rafale. The war will be fought in dangerous areas without endangering manned systems.
Recently, US Air Force Chief of Staff General Charles Brown Jr. told the media that the Air Force was studying a "new design" to replace hundreds of aging F16s. The F-35 was supposed to replace the F16, but it is outclassed in most missions the USAF flies today. The cost of acquiring the F35 has been significantly reduced, but the maintenance of this aircraft requires much greater funds.
The all-stealth approach does seem to be a dead end. The right approach is to find the right balance between stealth fighters like the NGF and less expensive aircraft like the Rafale. If we apply the 80-20 rule, 80% of missions can be carried out by Rafales and the network they lead for only 20% of the total expenditure.
Today, when budgets are not unlimited as they were during the "cold war", a balanced approach will yield results that may change the long-term strategic positioning.
Hopefully the all-aspect GaN radar for F4.2 is not just talk. Or someone's gonna say it's for the F5.
The 80-20 rule is meaningless without a complementary high-end jet. Of all Rafale users, only India has the option of a next gen jet immediately available. France's closest date is 2040. But, more importantly, the 80-20 rule signifies the Rafale cannot perform the other 20% of missions. That's a major limiting factor for any air force with an advanced adversary to deal with, like India or Finland. Then the question is whether the F-35 can perform the other 20% of missions too. Then an air force with the F-35 as an option can pick it up instead of bothering with the Rafale, since it's cheaper to operate just one of them instead of both at the same time.
Today the Rafale is capable of doing all the missions, but my analysis was prospective: in 2050 the Rafale will still have a big role because it will have evolved to be capable of doing 80% of the missions. This will not be the case with the F-35.
The Rafale is a bit like the aircraft that Brown talked about and that he described as a 5G - but which is in fact a 5G that the US is sorely lacking. And if the US had this plane they would realise that the F-35 is useless except for wasting money.
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MICA is a 112 kg missile (but with lmong chord wings !). It is difficult to compete against a 160kg one even with small wings (and I think same level of technology more or less).
Meteor has not the oxydizer to carry. It's why it will always be superior to AMRAAM (with nearly same weight , same wings, but classical booster).
And Yes Meteor seems to be fitted in F35. But the R&R F136 engine also and..... finally not.
French plane that nobody is buying. 4th gen fighters like the french plane are in their twilight years US ANG are replacing their F-15's with F-35s and not F-15EX, which the F-15EX is more advanced and capable than french plane. USAF F-15C's are also being replaced by F-35 and not F-15EX.
India stopped at 36 french planes and likely will be the final number. India is in a pickle it doesn't make advanced fighters of their own and are dependent on outside help for their air force. India currently has no access to 5th gen fighters and doesn't have a choice but to buy 4th gen fighters which is where the french come in and even then dassault has to bribe Indian politicians to buy their inferior plane. french plane F4.2 won't be ready until late 2020s but even with those upgrades it is still outdated for todays conflicts against advanced militaries like chicoms and Russia.
You stupid or what. Why France have to bribe Indians when as per you Rafale is our only option.
Yes he is stupid, a BOT doesn't have much intelligence, what's amazing is to find out only now.
Why won't it be the case with the F-35? Wouldn't it receive equivalent upgrades by then too?
I suppose we will know more only after this new jet takes shape.
Haven't you noticed that the F-35 upgrades are always behind the requirements? You were the one who said that we won't be able to use it to fight China...
" India currently has no access to 5th gen fighters and doesn't have a choice but to buy 4th gen fighters which is where the french come in and even then dassault has to bribe Indian politicians to buy their inferior plane."
Where did I say french plane is your only option? Comprehension is not your strong suit or are you stupid?
Rafale deal | €1 mn paid to middleman in Rafale deal, says French report
Congress demands probe but BJP terms charges baseless.
French judge tasked with investigating Rafale fighter jet sale to India
A French judge has been tasked with investigating a controversial 2016 multi-billion-dollar sale of Rafale fighter jets to India on “corruption” suspicions, the national financial prosecutors’ office…
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That's only until it finishes the first stage of development though. Once Block 4 is complete, future R&D will be more focused on future jets like NGAD and its drones, so the F-35 will be able to tap into the R&D efforts of bigger programs. It's like how the F-15EX and F-16 B70 are taking advantage of the F-35 to get new upgrades.
Personally, I don't think any jet available today in the West will be able to fight the Su-57 Mk2 or J-20C after 2025. The F-22 needs upgrades, the F-35 is in development hell, the Rafale's sensors are comparatively smaller, lower kinematics, stealth etc. All other jets aren't even worth mentioning.
Hey Hillbilly," India currently has no access to 5th gen fighters and doesn't have a choice but to buy 4th gen fighters which is where the french come in and even then dassault has to bribe Indian politicians to buy their inferior plane."
Where did I say french plane is your only option? Comprehension is not your strong suit or are you stupid?
Rafale deal | €1 mn paid to middleman in Rafale deal, says French report
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French judge tasked with investigating Rafale fighter jet sale to India
A French judge has been tasked with investigating a controversial 2016 multi-billion-dollar sale of Rafale fighter jets to India on “corruption” suspicions, the national financial prosecutors’ office…
Those are allegations, not facts. As it was a Govt to Gov deal with sovereign guarantee chances of it being corrupt is also small. If we go by allegations F-35 is the worst over expensive fighter project ever conceived by humans. Hope you wont agree with that.
Also, no one is alleging Rafale won the MMRCA with bribes. They have a problem with the cancelation of the tender and going G-to-G route for a small number. The French judicial investigation and Indian courts found no evidence to support these. Thus your point is moot.
Glad that you learned how to spell Rafale. Appreciate the improvement.
Who should we believe, you or the CEO of Safran ? Does the date change the fact that Rafale is underpowered?Yesterday!!! The article is from 14 Mars 2016, 12:00
France isn't underestimating anything, but the adversary has more money and is generally a bit more ahead compared to other Europeans.
This has been the case historically too. The Mirage 4000 was needed to match the Flankers, but by then the SU had started working on the Su-47 and MiG MFI. So the Rafale took over. In the meantime the Russians started work on the Su-57, so the NGF is now necessary to counter it, regardless of the 15-year gap between the two. Now the Russians are planning to test fly their first near-space capable fighter around the same time the NGF will have its first flight.
As for electronics, as I had already pointed out before, bigger jets have less space, power and cooling constraints so the Russians can easily introduce next generation electronics into their jets faster than small-jet users can.
And going by the 80-20 rule, the Rafale may perform 80% of the missions by 2050, but it's more than likely the Su-57/J-20 will perform 100% of the missions even in 2050. After all, the jets will only be around 20-25 years old then, no different than the Rafale today.
Rafale is not underpowered. Hell, the IAF doesn't consider the M2000 to be underpowered, and the Rafale beats the M2000 by a very wide margin. Rafale pilots speak of how they have to throttle down in order to not overshoot the M2000 during dog fights. Plus it can supercruise, can't do that without adequate thrust.
Anyway, all engines have the potential to undergo a 5-10% thrust upgrade through modifications to the existing engine, which is meant to cater to the jet's growth by the time it hits MLUs. Meaning an engine upgrade that's expected to happen during MLU is a scheduled upgrade. Deliverance here wants to create false equivalence with the F-35, which doesn't just need an engine upgrade but a whole new engine with a 30% boost in thrust just to be relevant.
Companies also like to push for engine upgrades because they can make more money. Engine upgrades happen when the airframe OEM or the air force ask for it, not when the engine OEM demands it. Which is why the article also says: "However, the upgrade issue had not been discussed with Dassault Aviation, the Safran CEO added." Only time will tell whether the F4 will come with an uprated engine. But that's only a natural evolution of the jet.
If Dassault meets IN's carrier requirements with the same engine next year, then the AF version doesn't need a thrust upgrade.