Let the 114 go through within this decade; 200 more is not happening, at least not before the Rafale's obsolete.
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Definitely not Rafales though. Also, our screwed up planning and contract negotiation process will make us order in 1-2 squadrons at best which'll not result in localized production putting us at the bottom of the list given Rafales orders from other countries
114 is unlikely to happen either...IAF should work with ADA/HAL and just fastrack the production of Tejas Mk-1A while speeding up the development of MWF
I gave up, I don't know what magic the French did? While Indians believe that Rafale fighter jets can take on all missions,
We can't get a fighter as powerful as the Rafale, we follow the example of the United States to build our own electronic warfare system
We assume that the Rafale fighter is an unprecedented powerful fighter with the flight performance of F22 and the level of informatization of F35.
It is also limited in the improvement of the combat effectiveness of the Indian Air Force. Why, an island in the ocean of information
Does India have a tri-service common data link? No, of course the Indian Air Force has loaded a few fighter jets with Israeli goods
What is Rafale's data link? link16
India can't get the link16 terminal at all, let alone the open source code of link16
This means that only Mirage 2000 can communicate with Rafale
If we expect a signature for 114 in 2026, then we will have about 5-6 years to exercise the options for 57 more. So, even if we assume 200 are not possible, the roadmap for 114+57 will still exist. 'Cause it's unlikely for anything special to happen by 2031-32 for this plan to change. The IAF has not planned an alternative to this. There is no plan B.
If it's not the Rafale, then it has to be another jet within the MRFA pool. You already know the options. I've placed my bets on the Rafale. But if the IAF finds one of the other jets to be superior, then that's that.
If the 114 don't happen, then the IAF won't have an air force. LCA has nothing to do with this requirement, like, literally, nothing. Whether LCA fails or not, the requirement for 114 jets is independent of it. It's like no matter how kicka*s your jeans are, you still gotta wear a t-shirt.
We got lucky that we could avoid the F-16 vs Gripen E contest in favour of the LCA. Or even that was gonna happen.
TILBA by cailabs. So easy to communicate silently letting Indians having their own protocols with their own assets.
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The IAF said that one Rafale squadron could replace 2.5 SU-30 MKI squadrons so to replace 114 Rafales would require at least 285 SU-30 MKIs.
Trust me, the devil HAL &DRDO won't let it happen, most likely IAF will be presented an orca variant & PM/DM/FM combo will wake up in one fine morning and issue new norms for defense procurement, they may even replace rafale with Tejas mk2 just how they sabotage IN requirements of more p8I & forced them to mediocre DRDO design (that too a paper project).
Not civilian. But military exports are pretty clear. Turkish drones are better than chinese drones. Even middle eastern militaries like Jordan are retiring newly bought Chinese drones. Similarly their is no electronic warfare equipment that China has exported that comes close to Krashuska or the koral EW. China does have superior armour to the Russians and better electro-optical equipment. Turkey has made quite a high quality defence industry thanks to its Nato connections.
Do GOI is care about it? Answer is no. They dont mind if IAF is flying jets or not. The way they screwed IN modernisation is simply saying the same, the way they screwed IA athos howitzer purchase says the same.
As per the IAF, the MKI provides 30% superiority over the F-16 B52, and the Rafale provides 200% superiority over the MKI.
Every individual aircraft in the picture performs a particular function.
1. The Compass Call attacks comm networks in the HF, VHF and UHF bands.
2. The Growler attacks surveillance radars in the L, S and C bands (1-8GHz). Presumably even higher bands, up to 18GHz.
3. The F-35 attacks fire control radars in the X band (8-12 GHz) using its radar.
4. Stand-in jammer acts as a false target decoy.
Rafale needs 1, because fighters cannot carry such large antennas. But Rafale can presumably skip out on 2, 3 and 4 because it can potentially carry all the antennas needed internally. The IAF has asked for low band jammers (presumably 1-4GHz) as part of India-specific enhancements. So we can assume it carries other bands internally too. If it carries jammers from 1-18GHz, then there's no need for Growler.
Generic self-protection suites are typically high band (8-18GHz), meant to protect itself from fire control radars and missile seekers.
It's also possible that most Rafales are general purpose with only high band jammers, whereas some Rafales in every squadron are special mission aircraft, carrying jammers in all bands for SEAD/DEAD.
The mig 21 didn't have datalink but there is no surety if the mig 21 comms were jammed. Since the mig 21 could interact with ground control as per the events that have been reported. The whole comms being jammed story is fabricated to be honest. Majority of the work was done by the saab erieye and gave situational awareness. The da-20 were never seen throughout the skirmish and they couldn't jam anything because Pakistanis entirely failed in their operation if they had any in the first place.
They did get the mig 21 though.
Rafale can supercruise, and we have seen it dog fight with the F-22 quite well. Whereas when it comes to information, the French have been using centralised computer architecture called MDPU since the late 90s with the Mirage 2000-5. So this is about 6-7 years before the F-22. And SPECTRA that was released in 2004 on the Rafale boasts the same RWR and ESM features as the F-35. What separates the F-35 from the Rafale is the F-35 has a better man machine interface, like the HMDS, which is being corrected on the Rafale F4.
The French have been operating with sensor fusion since the late 90s.
Whoa, whoa, Link 16 is crap, India uses an Israeli developed link called ODL, and now we are switching to the BNET.
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At this point in time, there isn't a more networked major air force in the world than the IAF. The US is using the IP-based TTNT, but the main link on fighters is still Link 16, along with NATO. All other US allies are also on the old Link 16. The upgrade to TTNT is yet to happen. Apart from Israel, only small air forces have made the transition to an IP-based network, using Israeli tech. Russia is not yet on an IP-based network, while I doubt China has made the same change. So quite literally India is the only major country today using an IP-based network.
As for the tri-services common link, the army is yet to transition to an IP-based network, the air force and navy already have.
Once it's completed this year, India will have a fully IP-based networked force. Only the army's last mile connectivity will be pending, giving soldiers and armoured vehicles individual comm systems. Israel's BNET-AR will provide the IAF with last mile connectivity. The IN is using an Indian solution.
Not about country specifically,About GOI yeas. yeah you cannot separate country, its citizens & government.You are really very pessimistic about your country.
The MKI is too expensive to operate. Plus the Rafale's airframe and engine have advantages that the MKI cannot match, never mind the avionics and weapons.
For example, the IAF claims a 2.5 times maintenance and turnaround superiority over the MKI. Which means you need 2.5 MKI squadrons to match 1 Rafale squadron. This is unlikely to change a lot even with the MKI MLU. The Rafale can also stay up in the air longer because of drop tanks.
Another advantage is the Rafale can track and kill 6 tanks in one pass because the radar can track 6 ground targets. Otoh, the MKI can only target 2 tanks and will require multiple passes, which can put the jet in danger.
I don't need to explain other advantages like the Meteor/MICA combo versus RVV-SD/R-73, very low RCS etc.
At this time, the MKI does not match the Rafale in any mission. MKI MLU may bridge the gap in some ways with avionics, drop tanks and weapons, but there are still inherent airframe and engine disadvantages that will continue to persist.
100 MKIs cannot make up for 100 Rafales. You'd actually need 250 MKIs or even 200 MKI MLUs based on maintenance and turnaround time alone.