It's only an artist's view, you shouldn't take it too seriously, for example the radar antenna is behind the OSF...
Rafale DH/EH of Indian Air Force : News and Discussions
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Over La Défense district, near Paris, july 14 2023.
3 IAF Rafale + one Armée de l'Air
(sorry for the poor quality of the pic.)
3 IAF Rafale + one Armée de l'Air
(sorry for the poor quality of the pic.)
Dassault Aviation 'seeks to buy out Reliance stake' in defence facility, set up 100% venture in India
While the French firm owns 49% stake in the Nagpur-based joint-venture, Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited, 51% is held by Reliance Defence.
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Dassault Aviation ‘seeks to buy out Reliance stake’ in defence facility, set up 100% venture in India
Not only do the French see everyone as just a customer. Forget joint ventures. Now it sees India as a source of cheap labour.Dassault Aviation 'seeks to buy out Reliance stake' in defence facility, set up 100% venture in India
While the French firm owns 49% stake in the Nagpur-based joint-venture, Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited, 51% is held by Reliance Defence.
Dassault Aviation ‘seeks to buy out Reliance stake’ in defence facility, set up 100% venture in India
IAF asks French firm Dassault to integrate Indian weapons on Rafale fighter jets
great news,
any idea/reason why not the Rudram missile, nor the Brahmos NG?
This. Rafale already has a great BVR and WVR missile in Meteor/MICA and smart PGM like Hammer. NGARM should have been the first priority followed by Brahmos-NG. The integration of Astra series and SAAW etc. could have followed later.
Look Rafale is a high value asset which numbers just 36 at present. You probably do not send it on a risky sead mission as it stands for fear of attrition. IAF prob got near same number of tejas and definitely more mirages to do that, plus the su30. in future we can hope maybe integrated with Indian weapons. But at present its role should be to do air superiority role mainly.
Rafale is now our frontline fighter and our day 1 fighter too if war breaks out. Its role would be to suppress enemy air defence and break the door. Only after that other fighters would enter the fray. Air Superiority is just a part of its mission.
Yes, the equation once again changes with MKI and RudraM 1/2 combo. As these missiles are not only conventional ARMs designed for SEAD but very advance missiles with active/passive seekers for complete DEAD at stand-off ranges.
But still, Rafale with Rudram series missiles will add-up to its versatility and lethality. Rafale doesn't have an ARM at the moment and both Astra1/2 can't measure up to Meteor. That's why I am arguing for integration of Rudram 1 firstly and then others shall follow suit.
It can do in future when Rafale numbers are up, but for now in case of urgent need IAF would be hard pressed to use it in such a mission. I expect the arm articles to get integrated in near future once those are ready & hit serial production. Whichever jet in our inventory gets one variant of uttam first, will probably have it integrated first, besides su30.
Probably because astra and Saw have finished the development. Others are yet to finish their development
Integration also takes time. We could start the process before NGARM hits mass production and once it does, Rafale would be ready to blow Pakistani/Chinese SAMs with it in a full-scale war.
Integration with spectra will require final product to mask it signatures I think.
@Picdelalmirand-oil had told something about it before.. ( on why integration of weapons with Rafale is very expensive)
We can offset somewhat with using Astra & SAAW during air policing instead of expensive European weapons.
NGARM if integrated will be a Nice capability addition, which we can export to other Rafale users too.. If French agreed.
Maybe its not ready or maybe it's included with Astra integration.
Yes. All new weapons integrated with Rafale go through anechoic chamber since SPECTRA keeps track of Rafale's RCS with all kinds of weapons load/configuration. But will they do that with Indian weapons or not is not sure!
The Pod Talios used by the French and the new IRST which was developed in collaboration with the Indians and at their request both use MWIR (Middle Wave Infra red) technology. Talios would be able to visualize, in discretion because passive, thrusters at nearly 200 km and the new IRST would have a range of more than 100 km to engage an aerial target with a MICA NG missile without resorting to Radar for situations where discretion RF is required.Thanks for the explanation. I also believed the TV channel of OSF to be near Infrared(had to be for night time imaging). Also I explained about the long range new gen IRST to @Optimist but he either fails to understand or just doesn't want to.
BTW, one more query, is the new IRST QWIP or HgCdTe?
Thanks to its very high definition, telemetry now offers an identification path which makes it possible to hold decoys in check, and to pursue certain stealthy platforms such as the SU-57 and the J-20. The OSF is natively developed to operate in coordination with the RBE2 XG.
The MICA NG will begin its tests at the Biscarosse base from 2023 and could go into production from 2026 to equip the Rafale F4. The progress made on its passive (IR) or active (RF) seekers, both in terms of performance and miniaturization, makes this development possible. Its target engagement capabilities are around 100 km (in IR version) and 130 km (in RF version).
The new RF seeker has an AESA antenna, great agility and discrete emission modes which explain that it will be the basis of the new modernized METEOR seeker.
The new RF seeker has an AESA antenna, great agility and discrete emission modes which explain that it will be the basis of the new modernized METEOR seeker.