Rafale DH/EH of Indian Air Force : News and Discussions
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It's not that simple. The level of tech they provided is already not 100%, and on top of that even tech that was supposed to be produced in India did not come to India because of HAL's inability to do it.
HAL's inability is also the reason for MMRCA's failure. And the Russians are banking on this in order to keep a lot of business to themselves. HAL also outsources their share of MKI production back to Russia whenever they feel they won't meet the deadline.
As of today, in terms of cost, MKI's production is only 51% in India. The other half of the cost includes raw materials and tech that has been denied to India.
Agreements don't mean anything to the Russians. They follow their own laws first. They have denied a lot of tech to India which should have originally been transferred. Like the T-90's armour and gun barrel and the Brahmos's engine. They were supposed to transfer Brahmos engine long ago, but they are not willing to.
So? Nothing strange about this.
The Mig-35 wasn't rejected for old tech during MMRCA. It was rejected because the design was old. The same reason why Mig-35, F-16 and SH will be rejected again in MMRCA 2.0. While Mig35's AESA radar was not developed, it wasn't rejected for that.
They will provide the same level of ToT that they did for MKI. And even here, they will deny tech later on. The Russians are not trustworthy, that's why we need a strategic competitor in India for aircraft of the same class. IAF has already rejected the Russians for a lot of MKI related tech.
Incorrect. In LCC, you are paying for the airframe cost for each hour it flies.
You can consider data however you want, but in real life, Mig-35 will end up being more expensive because real life doesn't care how you want to manipulate data. Also, Rafale is more expensive to purchase because it is much more advanced. You bring the Mig-35 up to the same standards, it's going to be very expensive. The only way Mig-35 will be equivalent to the Rafale is if they add PAK FA tech to it, but the Russians are not planning on doing it, they want a cheap aircraft they can afford to buy.
The only way Mig-35 is cheaper than Rafale is if we buy all the jets and all its spares and support from Russia. That way we can leverage their weaker currency because of their collapsed economy. But in India, the Rafale will be cheaper than Mig-35.
Okay let us settle it on a single point. If IAF choose Mig 35 I'm right and if it choose Rafale then you are wrong
Wrong on both counts.
Ramjet is better at end game. And I-Derby ER is competitive with the K-77M. What you have read on the internet is not the correct way to compare ranges. At different altitudes, you get different ranges.
Astra Mk2 will also have 100Km range, the same as I-Derby ER. But at what altitude, you will not know right now. BVR missiles have a range of 15-20 Km at sea level and climbs to 100 or 200 or even 300 Km at high altitude depending on the weight of the components, the type of propulsion used, the amount of fuel etc.
Astra Mk2, I Derby ER and K-77M are in the same class. AESA seeker, dual pulse motor etc. And IAF prefers the I-Derby ER.
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I know that BVR have different range in different altitude but the question bis what is the optimum range of I - Derby ER?
The problem is that he does not know the equations about energy availablity for end game. AND I am not going to write them down yet again.
Okay let us settle it on a single point. If IAF choose Mig 35 I'm right and if it choose Rafale then you are wrong
Sure.
But always remember that Mig-35 in MMRCA is no different from India in the Olympics. Both are just participants, with no hope for gold.
The Mig-35 will get rejected after flight evaluations. Along with F-16, Su-35 and SH. All for the same reason >>> No future.
There is no such thing as an optimum range.
The higher you go, the longer the range.
You fire the missile in space, it will go on forever as long as nothing blocks it.
Please read my comment againSure.
But always remember that Mig-35 in MMRCA is no different from India in the Olympics. Both are just participants, with no hope for gold.
The Mig-35 will get rejected after flight evaluations. Along with F-16, Su-35 and SH. All for the same reason >>> No future.
But the fact is you can't fire a missile from space since it has a service ceiling so does its carrier. I was asking on a same altitude let it 15km which has more range Derby or K77?
Ohhh okay now this prompt me to change my condition. If Rafale is chosen then you are right.
We won't know for sure though, since the Mig-35 will get rejected after flight evaluations. So it won't be around when they open the bids and compare prices.
IAF don't need more Russian planes. It's cheaper to purchase but hard and costly to maintain.
I think that once the Rafale in the Indian pilots hands they will never want anything else in the medium class of fighters.
Mig35 is not really impressive. How is the radar?
Radar is excellent and can simultaneously engage 16 aerial targets and 4 ground targets far more than Rafale.