India is getting components of S-500 with this deal plus the number of batteries is more than the Chinese deal.
Is this true? I've been hearing plenty of such stories down the years too. @randomradio ; @vstol Jockey
Yes, its true but has never been officially reported.
S400 missile: How Manohar Parrikar saved India’s taxpayer Rs 49,300 crore for the next decade – Indian Defence Research Wing
Yours truly had a hand in this decision process. I had posted that part on another forum in detail.
Could you elaborate on our procurement of the S-300 systems - the no of regiments, missiles, deployment, etc?
The radars have been seen publicly and captured in the media. The launchers have not.
We supposedly have at least 6 battalions worth, since that's what most people say.
The PMU-2 apparently beat the PAC-3 in both tech specs and price back in the mid 2000s.
Is it possible we have some components as you've mentioned above but not the entire system? Why the secrecy especially since we've gone to town with the purchase of the S-400? What's the PMU-2? When did we procure the S-300?
It's very likely that we do not have the missiles themselves. Who knows? But then, maybe we do.
Whatever the case, the secrecy was important at the time, unlike this time with the S-400. They didn't make a big deal about the procurement of the radars either.
S-300PMU2 was the latest version of the S-300P family. Just like how PAC-3 was the latest in the Patriot family. They have since been replaced by the S-400 and PAC-3 MSE resply. The S-400 was originally called S-300PMU3.
You never stop bullshitting do you? China bought 6 battalions of s400, India bought 5 regiments of s400. One regiment of s400 consists of 2 battalions. Ie, India bought 10 battalions of s400. Now tell me more about how we payed way more.. Lol
PhD Explains How S-400 Deal Will Affect Balance of Power Between India, Pakistan
Moscow and New Delhi have inked a $5.4 billion contract on the supply of Russia's S-400 air defense system to India, with deliveries scheduled to start in 2020. India will receive ten battalions of the system, with a battalion normally consisting of 8 launchers, 112 missiles, and the associated command, radar and support vehicles.
Simply Put: A Russian deal, a US nod
China signed a deal in 2015 for six battalions of the S-400, and delivery began this January.
What about the Pakistanis with HQ-9?
Is it like ours or does is it include the entire system?
S-300 Radars are in Use with India but not the whole system and definitely not the missiles.
India puts a rider clause which could prevent Russian sale of S-400 to Pakistan – Indian Defence Research Wing
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Too bad. Pakistan won't get s400 even if they want or have money to buy it in future. Right now Pakistan is BROKE to afford it though....
They cant afford it even if they wanted. But dont worry theyll come up with a reason to buy a Chinese version and brag about it even though the Chinese themselves bought s400 over their own techIndia puts a rider clause which could prevent Russian sale of S-400 to Pakistan – Indian Defence Research Wing
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Too bad. Pakistan won't get s400 even if they want or have money to buy it in future. Right now Pakistan is BROKE to afford it though....
Dont worry we dont spend that much on any defense project. We will come up with a far cheaper solution.India puts a rider clause which could prevent Russian sale of S-400 to Pakistan – Indian Defence Research Wing
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Too bad. Pakistan won't get s400 even if they want or have money to buy it in future. Right now Pakistan is BROKE to afford it though....
Following the signature of a contract on October 5 that is valued valued at US$5.43 billion, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is all set to receive its initial five squadrons of the Almaz-Antey S-400 Triumf ADMS, with deliveries commencing in late 2020. Plans call for eventually expanding this LR-SAM network into five Brigades in the following decade, and deploying them for the air-defence (against hostile manned combat aircraft, SRBMs, TBMs and LACMs) of major cities and industrial corridors located in western and central India.
The sector-wise command-and-control posts of each of these Brigades will be integrated with the IAF’s already-operational five nodes of the Integrated Air Command, Control & Communications System (IACCCS) at Barnala (Punjab), Wadsar (Gujarat), Aya Nagar (Delhi), Jodhpur (Rajasthan) and Ambala (Haryana).
S-400 Brigade HQ Centre
Initially, the S-400 ADMS will come equipped with only the 380km-range 40N6E LR-SAMs, which were declared by Russia as being ready for series-production following a series of user-assisted successful test-firings last August.
40N6E LR-SAM Round
In the following decade, the 40N6E LR-SAMs will be joined by the 77N6-N and the 77N6-NI LR-SAMs, having top speeds of 7km/second and also being the first LR-SAMs of Russian origin to possess INERT warheads, i.e. warheads that do not contain any explosives and instead, are ‘hittile’, meaning they will destroy inbound IRBMs or MRBMs by sheer force of impact. Both these missiles are still undergoing development.
77N6-N and 77N6-N1 LR-SAM Rounds
The most revolutionary element of the 77N6-N and the 77N6-NI hypersonic LR-SAMs will be their on-board nose-mounted, Ka band millimeter-wave active phased-array radar seekers and their real-time discrimination algorithms required for fire-control and guidance of hit-to-kill interceptors. To this end, the radar seekers have been designed with a rigid mount and narrow beam to provide precise angle metric accuracy. The combination of metric accuracy, wide bandwidth, and high Doppler-resolution capabilities makes them excellent sensors for real-time discrimination, for they can provide extremely accurate identification-processing estimates of motion differences caused by mass imbalances on real and threat-like targets. The 77N6-N and the 77N6-NI LR-SAMs will be new-generation replacements for the 1980s-era 9M82 and 9M83 LR-SAMs that had equipped the Almaz-Antey S-300VM and Antey-2500 strategic air-defence systems.
Antey-2500 System's 9M83 Missile
Since the IAF’s S-400 LR-SAMs will be high-value assets, they will require in-depth air-defence protection as well. For this, the IAF had ordered four squadrons of the RAFAEL-built SpyDer system back in 2013, but an amended contract had to be inked on August 3, 2015 following which deliveries commenced in February 2017 and were completed by August 2018.
Rafael SPYDER SAM System
Also to be enlisted are the services of close-in weapon system (CIWS), for which the IAF wants to procure 244 cannons along with 228 search/fire-control radars, and 204,000 programmable bullets.
TRISHUL: IAF's Almaz-Antey S-400 Triumf ADMS Deployment Plans Explained
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The sector-wise command-and-control posts of each of these Brigades will be integrated with the IAF’s already-operational five nodes of the Integrated Air Command, Control & Communications System (IACCCS) at Barnala (Punjab), Wadsar (Gujarat), Aya Nagar (Delhi), Jodhpur (Rajasthan) and Ambala (Haryana).
S-400 Brigade HQ Centre
Initially, the S-400 ADMS will come equipped with only the 380km-range 40N6E LR-SAMs, which were declared by Russia as being ready for series-production following a series of user-assisted successful test-firings last August.
40N6E LR-SAM Round
In the following decade, the 40N6E LR-SAMs will be joined by the 77N6-N and the 77N6-NI LR-SAMs, having top speeds of 7km/second and also being the first LR-SAMs of Russian origin to possess INERT warheads, i.e. warheads that do not contain any explosives and instead, are ‘hittile’, meaning they will destroy inbound IRBMs or MRBMs by sheer force of impact. Both these missiles are still undergoing development.
77N6-N and 77N6-N1 LR-SAM Rounds
The most revolutionary element of the 77N6-N and the 77N6-NI hypersonic LR-SAMs will be their on-board nose-mounted, Ka band millimeter-wave active phased-array radar seekers and their real-time discrimination algorithms required for fire-control and guidance of hit-to-kill interceptors. To this end, the radar seekers have been designed with a rigid mount and narrow beam to provide precise angle metric accuracy. The combination of metric accuracy, wide bandwidth, and high Doppler-resolution capabilities makes them excellent sensors for real-time discrimination, for they can provide extremely accurate identification-processing estimates of motion differences caused by mass imbalances on real and threat-like targets. The 77N6-N and the 77N6-NI LR-SAMs will be new-generation replacements for the 1980s-era 9M82 and 9M83 LR-SAMs that had equipped the Almaz-Antey S-300VM and Antey-2500 strategic air-defence systems.
Antey-2500 System's 9M83 Missile
Since the IAF’s S-400 LR-SAMs will be high-value assets, they will require in-depth air-defence protection as well. For this, the IAF had ordered four squadrons of the RAFAEL-built SpyDer system back in 2013, but an amended contract had to be inked on August 3, 2015 following which deliveries commenced in February 2017 and were completed by August 2018.
Rafael SPYDER SAM System
Also to be enlisted are the services of close-in weapon system (CIWS), for which the IAF wants to procure 244 cannons along with 228 search/fire-control radars, and 204,000 programmable bullets.
TRISHUL: IAF's Almaz-Antey S-400 Triumf ADMS Deployment Plans Explained
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I don't think the 77N6-N series are correct.
They look like the 9M82M series of missiles meant for the S-300V.
AFAIK, the 77N6-N designs are still not available publicly.
Also, the IAF doesn't use "brigade" for their stuff. So there is no squadrons upgraded to "brigades" concept here.
The only thing of value in that article is the kicka** picture of the S-400 HQ.
They look like the 9M82M series of missiles meant for the S-300V.
AFAIK, the 77N6-N designs are still not available publicly.
Also, the IAF doesn't use "brigade" for their stuff. So there is no squadrons upgraded to "brigades" concept here.
The only thing of value in that article is the kicka** picture of the S-400 HQ.