Sukhoi Su-30MKI
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Althouth it's about time for a decison to be taken, that doesn't look authentic at all.
OK... serious question.
Apart from a few "Pakistani balloons " has the SU-30MKI ever scored a kill?
Apart from a few "Pakistani balloons " has the SU-30MKI ever scored a kill?
Good question. A quick answer to that would be for you to initiate another Pulwama & resume BARCAP's on the LoC. Another fruitful analogy would be - is there jannat? What about 72 houris? The only way to verify that would be to die. As a martyr.
Unfortunately yes. It's awaiting some mischief on your part. Hopefully you'd oblige soon.Look at the bright side . You'd also get to check if your Thunder is what you've been given to believe what it is or a Blunder.
Did't have to. Which is the primary use of it.
People from the land of the pure never had the guts to cross the border.
Last try
Trivia time :
Who can name an aircraft which fired 10+ AMRAAMs and did not score a kill?
Clue: This is the same aircraft that was blown up by a pig during take-off
Who can name an aircraft which fired 10+ AMRAAMs and did not score a kill?
Clue: This is the same aircraft that was blown up by a pig during take-off
and only kill it scored was that of one of its own.Trivia time :
Who can name an aircraft which fired 10+ AMRAAMs and did not score a kill?
Clue: This is the same aircraft that was blown up by a pig during take-off
That was a MiG-21, who shot an unarmed naval reconnaissance aircraft. No heroism there.
My question was about SU-30MKI.
You may remember Nachiketa in addition to Abhinandan and Ajay Ahuja.
Plenty of kills from PAF.
The then Flt Lt Nachiketa was shot down by a Stinger & Sq Ldr Ajay Ahuja was killed in your custody with his body mutilated.
One of the reasons why Modi did what he did during the Wing Co Abhinandan episode & this happened to Munaffiq Qadiani Qamar Maamu & his puppet Dimran.
As regards the downing of the Atlantique there's a precendent for that too. It was a settling of scores 34 years later plus for what you subjected Sq Ldr Ahuja to.
This is what the PAF pilot who shot down the unarmed plane of the then CM of Gujarat, Mr Balwantrai Mehta had to say.
War & grief - Times of India
Sunday Times News: In the midst of a bitter war, a civilian Indian aircraft with 8 persons on board — including the then Gujarat CM — was shot down by a Pakistani fighte
timesofindia.indiatimes.com
We've gone over all this before in this very forum a few years ago as we'd repeatedly do so in the future but you insist we retrace our steps then now & in the future too. So be it .
A point for HAL Nashik to ponder: What after Sukhoi-30MKI fighters?
Since 2005, when Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), Nashik, delivered the first “Made in India” Sukhoi-30MKI fighters, it has been HAL’s most lucrative cash cow.
Referred to as the “MiG Complex” since it was established in 1964 for licence manufacture of MiG-21FL aircraft, the Nashik division has traditionally generated 30-33 per cent per cent of HAL’s annual turnover. Last year, it generated Rs 7,000 crore out of HAL’s total turnover of Rs 22,700 crore.
This year, however, HAL’s leadership in Bengaluru is staring at the drying of its steadiest and largest income stream — the licensed manufacture in Nashik division of 222 Sukhoi-30MKI fighters, the delivery of which was completed last year.
Used to totting up over Rs 6,000 crore each year from the assembly of 15-16 Sukhoi-30MKIs, HAL’s Nashik division is now scrabbling for orders that would occupy its 4,190 skilled personnel at Nashik and 3,100 at Koraput (Odisha), where Russian aircraft engines are built. This amounts to almost 27 per cent of HAL’s total workforce of 28,345 personnel.
There is limited relief for HAL Nashik from the impending order for 12 more Sukhoi-30MKIs to replace aircraft that have crashed over the last 15 years. After those are delivered in 24-30 months, HAL would again find itself staring at an empty assembly line.
Sukhoi-30MKI overhaul
Another income stream that HAL Nashik is developing is the periodic overhaul of Sukhoi-30MKIs, which falls due after 11 years of operational service, or 1,500 flight hours. This has been allocated to the Overhaul Division of HAL Nashik, which is currently overhauling 15-16 fighters each year and looking at increasing that to 20.
With the cost of each overhaul estimated at about Rs 75 crore, that would bring in about Rs 1,500 crore annually.
Furthermore, with the Sukhoi-30MKI airframe considered capable of 8,000 flight hours, each fighter would undergo three overhauls during its four-decade service life, creating a long-term income stream for the MiG Complex.
Manufacture of spares
HAL Nashik also generates a steady, if small, income stream from the manufacture of spare parts for the Indian Air Force’s (IAF’s) operational Sukhoi-30MKI fleet. A large number of spare parts and rotables is also required for Sukhoi-30MKIs that come for overhauls.
In addition to this, HAL Nashik is also a designated “centre of excellence” for undercarriages of other IAF fighter aircraft, such as the Tejas light combat aircraft. With 20 Tejas Mark 1 and 83 Mark 1A on order with HAL Bengaluru, the undercarriages of these 103 fighters would all come from Nashik.
The IAF is also planning a capability upgrade for the Sukhoi-30MKI, which is to be carried out when each fighter comes in for its overhaul programme. This is expected to raise both the quantum of work with HAL Nashik, as well as the income.
HTT-40 basic trainer aircraft
It has been decided to build the HAL-designed Hindustan Turbo Trainer — 40 (HTT-40) basic trainer aircraft (BTA) at Nashik. HAL has submitted its financial bid for 68 HTT-40 and cost negotiations are under way. An order is expected by October 2022.
It is learnt that HAL has bid about Rs 50 crore for each BTA. With a planned manufacturing capacity of 20 trainers per year, the Nashik division will enjoy an additional income stream of Rs 1,000 crore annually.
In addition to the 68 HTT-40s already being negotiated, the IAF requires at least another 38 BTAs. HAL is also anticipating major interest in the HTT-40 from the export market. There is an expectation that this assembly line could go on for eight-ten years.
Multi-role Combat Aircraft (MRCA)
A major work shortfall for HAL Nashik arose due to the collapse of negotiations for building 126 multi-role medium fighters under transfer of technology (ToT) and the purchase of 36 fully-built Rafale fighters instead.
That, however, could be made up for through the tender for another 114 medium fighters from the global market, which are to be assembled at HAL Nashik. If that procurement materialises, HAL Nashik’s production line would be fully engaged for at least 6-7 years.
HAL executives say that each of the six fighter manufacturers vying for that contract — Sukhoi, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Eurofighter, Dassault and Saab — are also in talks with HAL for building their fighter in India.
Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA)
Top HAL sources say the AMCA, which is being developed as the IAF’s next-generation stealth fighter, is slated to be assembled at HAL Nashik.
The Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) says the first flight of the AMCA is likely by 2027 and, after flight testing and certification, manufacture would begin by 2035. It is planned to set up a Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV), co-opting a private sector firm, to build the AMCA’s fuselage and aerostructures at Nashik and final assembly in Bengaluru.
Missiles and bombs
HAL Nashik is also considering fabricating indigenous missiles and bombs, which are currently manufactured by Bharat Dynamics Ltd and the Ordnance Factory Board.
HAL Nashik’s concerns about empty production lines originate to a significant degree in the cancellation of three major aircraft production projects.
The cancellation of the Indo-Russian project to co-develop the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft, which HAL planned to build on the Sukhoi-30MKI line in Nashik, has led to the current situation.
This was exacerbated by the cancellation of the 126 MMRCA tender. Finally, the cancellation of the Indo-Russian project to co-develop a Medium Transport Aircraft led to another empty assembly line
Since 2005, when Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), Nashik, delivered the first “Made in India” Sukhoi-30MKI fighters, it has been HAL’s most lucrative cash cow.
Referred to as the “MiG Complex” since it was established in 1964 for licence manufacture of MiG-21FL aircraft, the Nashik division has traditionally generated 30-33 per cent per cent of HAL’s annual turnover. Last year, it generated Rs 7,000 crore out of HAL’s total turnover of Rs 22,700 crore.
This year, however, HAL’s leadership in Bengaluru is staring at the drying of its steadiest and largest income stream — the licensed manufacture in Nashik division of 222 Sukhoi-30MKI fighters, the delivery of which was completed last year.
Used to totting up over Rs 6,000 crore each year from the assembly of 15-16 Sukhoi-30MKIs, HAL’s Nashik division is now scrabbling for orders that would occupy its 4,190 skilled personnel at Nashik and 3,100 at Koraput (Odisha), where Russian aircraft engines are built. This amounts to almost 27 per cent of HAL’s total workforce of 28,345 personnel.
There is limited relief for HAL Nashik from the impending order for 12 more Sukhoi-30MKIs to replace aircraft that have crashed over the last 15 years. After those are delivered in 24-30 months, HAL would again find itself staring at an empty assembly line.
Sukhoi-30MKI overhaul
Another income stream that HAL Nashik is developing is the periodic overhaul of Sukhoi-30MKIs, which falls due after 11 years of operational service, or 1,500 flight hours. This has been allocated to the Overhaul Division of HAL Nashik, which is currently overhauling 15-16 fighters each year and looking at increasing that to 20.
With the cost of each overhaul estimated at about Rs 75 crore, that would bring in about Rs 1,500 crore annually.
Furthermore, with the Sukhoi-30MKI airframe considered capable of 8,000 flight hours, each fighter would undergo three overhauls during its four-decade service life, creating a long-term income stream for the MiG Complex.
Manufacture of spares
HAL Nashik also generates a steady, if small, income stream from the manufacture of spare parts for the Indian Air Force’s (IAF’s) operational Sukhoi-30MKI fleet. A large number of spare parts and rotables is also required for Sukhoi-30MKIs that come for overhauls.
In addition to this, HAL Nashik is also a designated “centre of excellence” for undercarriages of other IAF fighter aircraft, such as the Tejas light combat aircraft. With 20 Tejas Mark 1 and 83 Mark 1A on order with HAL Bengaluru, the undercarriages of these 103 fighters would all come from Nashik.
The IAF is also planning a capability upgrade for the Sukhoi-30MKI, which is to be carried out when each fighter comes in for its overhaul programme. This is expected to raise both the quantum of work with HAL Nashik, as well as the income.
HTT-40 basic trainer aircraft
It has been decided to build the HAL-designed Hindustan Turbo Trainer — 40 (HTT-40) basic trainer aircraft (BTA) at Nashik. HAL has submitted its financial bid for 68 HTT-40 and cost negotiations are under way. An order is expected by October 2022.
It is learnt that HAL has bid about Rs 50 crore for each BTA. With a planned manufacturing capacity of 20 trainers per year, the Nashik division will enjoy an additional income stream of Rs 1,000 crore annually.
In addition to the 68 HTT-40s already being negotiated, the IAF requires at least another 38 BTAs. HAL is also anticipating major interest in the HTT-40 from the export market. There is an expectation that this assembly line could go on for eight-ten years.
Multi-role Combat Aircraft (MRCA)
A major work shortfall for HAL Nashik arose due to the collapse of negotiations for building 126 multi-role medium fighters under transfer of technology (ToT) and the purchase of 36 fully-built Rafale fighters instead.
That, however, could be made up for through the tender for another 114 medium fighters from the global market, which are to be assembled at HAL Nashik. If that procurement materialises, HAL Nashik’s production line would be fully engaged for at least 6-7 years.
HAL executives say that each of the six fighter manufacturers vying for that contract — Sukhoi, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Eurofighter, Dassault and Saab — are also in talks with HAL for building their fighter in India.
Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA)
Top HAL sources say the AMCA, which is being developed as the IAF’s next-generation stealth fighter, is slated to be assembled at HAL Nashik.
The Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) says the first flight of the AMCA is likely by 2027 and, after flight testing and certification, manufacture would begin by 2035. It is planned to set up a Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV), co-opting a private sector firm, to build the AMCA’s fuselage and aerostructures at Nashik and final assembly in Bengaluru.
Missiles and bombs
HAL Nashik is also considering fabricating indigenous missiles and bombs, which are currently manufactured by Bharat Dynamics Ltd and the Ordnance Factory Board.
HAL Nashik’s concerns about empty production lines originate to a significant degree in the cancellation of three major aircraft production projects.
The cancellation of the Indo-Russian project to co-develop the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft, which HAL planned to build on the Sukhoi-30MKI line in Nashik, has led to the current situation.
This was exacerbated by the cancellation of the 126 MMRCA tender. Finally, the cancellation of the Indo-Russian project to co-develop a Medium Transport Aircraft led to another empty assembly line
Nashik building Rafales for MMRCA is wrong, they were supposed to be built in Bangalore.
The MKI successor for Nashik was the FGFA. And with that cancelled, the next option is the LCA Mk2. So the fourth LCA line is likely going to be set up there.