Sorry to intervene in this discussion but normaly obsolescence refers to being no more able to interact with its technical environment witch is perhaps not the case here ?
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A typical strike load comes with BVR/WVR missiles.
With aircraft like MKI, Jaguars, Mig-29, LCA, M-2000 etc, you need as many as 12 aircraft to perform a mission that you need only 4 Rafales for because of the Rafale's ability to switch roles in the middle of flight. Rafale does not need recce, fighter sweep, escort etc.
The J-20 is already operational.
China's J-20 stealth fighter jet has officially entered service
They will start inducting 50-75 jets a year in sometime.
Even with the old engine, it won't compete with the F-22, but it can destroy our air force.
I call BS about this Nuclear delivery. I have had conversation with a lot of guys from HAL, and It does not take anything special for nuclear delivery. We can drop a live nuke from IL 76 is needed, do not get swept in this nomenclature. There is very little that is needed to arm the payload which can be done within 30 mins if needed.
Jaguar is god awful system that India bought because it couldn't get the viggen which it really wanted. The only good thing about the Jag is it's amazingly engineered undercarriage unit. When it comes to aerodynamic performance its a *censored*ing pig. Once loaded a mig25 with the turning radius the size of texas can bring it down. Plus it is an extremely slow moving aircraft when loaded. You really need to talk to some Pilots, you would come to the realization why jags are the butt of most jokes in the IAF.
we do not know this yet. Its one thing to not underestimate the enemy - its another to over estimate based on facts only provided by the chinese.
No third country or third party have ever verified the claims of the Chinese. please understand, the chinese may have great strength in manufacturing in huge numbers and quickly, but their radars, engines, stealth tech is still untested and unknown.
Yes. Not now, but it will be in less than 5 years. Once the J-20s start coming in in large numbers.
OMG where the hell do you get these BS from. We have configured 6 Aircraft strike packages in 2006, who is selling you this stuff.
where are you getting 50-75 per year production number?
France and the UK were building new aircraft to replace them. The Mirage 2000D and the Rafale replaced the Jaguar in French service while the Tornado and the Typhoon replaced it in British service.
Ecuador is a poor country. The Jaguars weren't replaced; the squadron that flew them was simply dissolved. They're still operating the Cheetah and Kfir, two bootleg variants of the Mirage III, so it's not like they've replaced their Jaguars with more modern aircraft.
Oman on the other hand was rich enough to replace them with Typhoons and F-16.
India is in a different situation: unlike France and the UK, it had no indigenous replacement ready to replace the Jaguars, unlike Oman it was too poor to purchase replacements from abroad, and unlike Ecuador it still had enough money to upgrade them and keep operating them.
Them's fighting words. The Jaguar was a very good aircraft in the 1970s and 1980s.
Incorrect. The Jaguar has the hardening necessary to drop nukes, other aircraft can't do it.
Well, that's why the new engine.
No, the IAF wasn't interested in the Viggen.
Quarter Century of the Jaguar in India - Bharat Rakshak:Indian Air Force
A 6 aircraft strike package will still require recce and top cover. And of course a hit on payload.
The example I gave will have 4 Jaguars carrying 8 500Kg bombs. 2 Rafales are enough for that. If you want a 6 aircraft package, the payload should comfortably decrease by half.
the chinese govt sources themselves are very unreliable, and you are basing all the dooms day scenario on forum messages and fan boy stuff?
Please tell me the flexural rigidity needed for a hardpoint, especially the one that can carry a KAB1500L (1500KG=3300lb ) but cannot qualify for a air delivered nuke.
Specially when Jag is known for the 1000lb AN52 Nuke.
thats not what you claimed though, In modern history there has been not a single platform that has seen 75 units being commissioned in a year.
A lot of the stuff that has been coming out on forums are deliberately leaked by the CCP because they don't have official channels of revealing such stuff.
