Ukraine - Russia Conflict


Western propaganda seems intent on turning the comedian in to some kind of a folk hero. And there seem to be enough dumb Americans to buy into this narrative, isn't it sweetie ? Did you get a few? @WHOHE

Well, Paddy. Full marks to the comedian for balls, zero for brains. The Irish must love him & identify deeply with him & his cause already . Hope RoI does the needful & grant him honorary citizenship . @BMD
 
What's the use of Russian equipment or Western equipment if they are not used properly or used at all?

We used Russian equipment quite well in our wars.
Why it's happening always with Russia weapons? If some illiterate Mujahideen can use western weapons successfully without training in 90s,and now Ukranians too, there is clearly an advantages with weapon design.
 

I wonder what military support does the US think China can extend Russia that has them so spooked ? Is it arms or ammo or platforms ? What makes them think Russia lacks it ? Or is boots on the ground which seems highly unlikely ? Or is it financial support ?

Or are these warnings more for effect like shots in the air ?
 



It's bad enough nobody takes you or your pretence to being a great power or even a regional power seriously. Then you guys go right ahead & do something like this Paddy.

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More and more details on the results of the strike on a military base near Lviv

According to radio interception, losses among foreign mercenaries and special forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as a result of a strike on a base near Lvov have already amounted to at least 267

According to 50-year-old Peter from Austria, who was a member of the "International Legion of Ukraine", on the basis of the Yavoriv training ground, at the time of the strike of the Russian Aerospace Forces there were from 800 to a thousand foreigners.

The wounded are still being taken out - about 450/300 have been evacuated to Poland.

Many have burns to their faces and bodies, and some have their limbs torn off.

The number of missing people, who are under the rubble of the corps, in which there were American, Romanian and Polish mercenaries, is not yet completely known.

Arms deliveries worth $400 million have been completely destroyed.

Among the dead are a large number of officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and former NATO officers. The authorities of Ukraine and the United States carefully hide the real scale of the losses, secretly raking up the consequences of a successful attack by the Russian Armed Forces.

After the incident, the enthusiasm of mercenaries from all over the world noticeably faded. An Austrian mercenary said this about the strike on the Yavorovsky training ground: “These people will all die, no one will get out of here alive!”
 
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He doesn't have to destroy the parts he wants to control. Like Kiev can be destroyed. Lyiv too. But not Kharkiv or Odessa.
Kharkiv and Mariupol are being completely leveled... Odessa's turn will come too as soon as Putin's forces can focus on it.
Look, I will ask the same thing again. Would Zelensky had chosen to fight had he known he was gonna be alone?
Most likely. Because you have to ask yourself the opposite question. What do you think would have happened if he had chosen to submit instead of fighting?

I'll give you a hint. President Yanukovych was moving forward with an association agreement with the EU, received some explicit threats from Putin, and chose to submit -- reversing course to break all attempts at associating with the EU and instead going for the Eurasian Economic Union. The outcome was EuroMaidan.

The overwhelming majority of the Ukrainian population wants to remain independent. They see Russia as an enemy. Why do you think cities like Kharkiv, Mariupol or Mykolaiv are fighting instead of surrendering? They could easily surrender. They don't need Zelensky's approval for that. They don't. They don't because the Ukrainian people want to fight. They want to repel the invader and save their country.

When faced with a popular desire to fight, the government has only one alternative: either they fight alongside their people against the invader, or they fight their own people alongside the invader. Which choice would you make?

And to be honest, the speeches that you find cringe, about how NATO has abandoned them? That's what he needs to say in order to get the legitimacy to remove the constitutional provision about Ukraine aiming to join NATO. It's actually one thing that's a concession to Russia; in that he is willing to acquiesce to Ukraine's neutrality in exchange for the end of the hostilities.
 
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More and more details on the results of the strike on a military base near Lviv

According to radio interception, losses among foreign mercenaries and special forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as a result of a strike on a base near Lvov have already amounted to at least 267

According to 50-year-old Peter from Austria, who was a member of the "International Legion of Ukraine", on the basis of the Yavoriv training ground, at the time of the strike of the Russian Aerospace Forces there were from 800 to a thousand foreigners.

The wounded are still being taken out - about 450/300 have been evacuated to Poland.

Many have burns to their faces and bodies, and some have their limbs torn off.

The number of missing people, who are under the rubble of the corps, in which there were American, Romanian and Polish mercenaries, is not yet completely known.

Arms deliveries worth $400 million have been completely destroyed.

Among the dead are a large number of officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and former NATO officers. The authorities of Ukraine and the United States carefully hide the real scale of the losses, secretly raking up the consequences of a successful attack by the Russian Armed Forces.

After the incident, the enthusiasm of mercenaries from all over the world noticeably faded. An Austrian mercenary said this about the strike on the Yavorovsky training ground: “These people will all die, no one will get out of here alive!”
There's simply no ability to hide losses in Europe and the US. We don't have a Stalinist control of information. People of commonsense would be more inclined to believe the side not arresting people who challenge the official narrative.
 
Kharkiv and Mariupol are being completely leveled... Odessa's turn will come too as soon as Putin's forces can focus on it.

Most likely. Because you have to ask yourself the opposite question. What do you think would have happened if he had chosen to submit instead of fighting?

I'll give you a hint. President Yanukovych was moving forward with an association agreement with the EU, received some explicit threats from Putin, and chose to submit -- reversing course to break all attempts at associating with the EU and instead going for the Eurasian Economic Union. The outcome was EuroMaidan.

The overwhelming majority of the Ukrainian population wants to remain independent. They see Russia as an enemy. Why do you think cities like Kharkiv, Mariupol or Mykolaiv are fighting instead of surrendering? They could easily surrender. They don't need Zelensky's approval for that. They don't. They don't because the Ukrainian people want to fight. They want to repel the invader and save their country.

When faced with a popular desire to fight, the government has only one alternative: either they fight alongside their people against the invader, or they fight their own people alongside the invader. Which choice would you make?

And to be honest, the speeches that you find cringe, about how NATO has abandoned them? That's what he needs to say in order to get the legitimacy to remove the constitutional provision about Ukraine aiming to join NATO. It's actually one thing that's a concession to Russia; in that he is willing to acquiesce to Ukraine's neutrality in exchange for the end of the hostilities.
I doubt whether any agreement made in the present situation would be binding under international law anyway. Contracts signed under duress have no validity in law.

It amazes me how many people are struggling desperately to twist the reality of this situation into something they find compatible with their current international relations.
 




Frankly I don't quite know what to make of this mini thread but if there's even some truth to it, it illustrates the depth of dependance of the US on outsourced manufacturing especially China. And we're expected to believe these people would go to war against China for Taiwan.

This is another example of perfidy completely in tune with what they undertook in Ukraine.
I doubt whether any agreement made in the present situation would be binding under international law anyway. Contracts signed under duress have no validity in law.
What about negotiations, Paddy? Do the Russians ask Zelensky & team to undergo a stress test to determine they aren't under any duress before negotiations & signing of an agreement. Have you ever considered posting your jokes in the Funny Section?
 
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What's the use of Russian equipment or Western equipment if they are not used properly or used at all?

We used Russian equipment quite well in our wars.
You can only use it as well as the enemy allows you to use it.
 
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To put things in perspective, in Vietnam the US lost 58,000 people, 47,000 in combat. That lasted 8 years, that's about 7,250 per year.

The Korean War lasted 3 years, 170,000 allies were killed. That's about 4,700/month.

Putin has lost >13,000 in 23 days.
 
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