Ukraine - Russia Conflict

Russia was already breaking it. Iskander-Ms have gone further than 500km several times during this war, as have R-500s. Even P-800s are capable of over 500km at altitude, you know this.

The US cited Iskander-K for violations, not M. INF only applies to land-based systems.

P-800 land-based system is only capable of 400-450 km, that's the version used for Brahmos as well.

Fact, where was the counter protest? Why did he run to Russia and not EU. JFC, it's not like illegal immigrants are flocking in that direction out of the two choices.:ROFLMAO:

He ran to Russia 'cause he was targeted by the West.

Sorry, I spelt 'muppet' wrong.

Yeah, always wondered why that wasn't your username.

They won't even notice. It's like Mexico sanctioning the US.

They have noticed, and are worried. Came begging two or three times already. Plenty of state-sanctioned whining available on the Internet from both articles and diplomats, including their foreign minister. They got kicked out of pretty much everything.
 
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
"For years, Democrats have gotten away with election fraud"

"if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore,"

Politicians yelling election fraud is normal.

Here's the Indian Congress "inciting rebellion."

You don't invade and annex a country with an elected leader. Black and white.

No, you just topple it via a revolution.

It black and white. Stop making excuses. Especially when you've never been at peace - even with your immediate neighbours - once during your entire existence.

We are at peace with all our neighbors except the ones who became our enemies on the behest of the West.

You should ask if our enemies are at peace with all their neighbors instead.

Do you realize you are supporting Pakistan and China? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Only if your arguments are Russian propaganda, which they are.

So is Putin playing 4-D chess or did he get scammed?

At least he's winning.

Which is why they were 20 years behind by 1990.....

Not in the military. They just couldn't use it in civilian tech due to copyright laws. IPR can be ignored by the military as long as it's not exported. That's actually why Soviet export stuff sucked, and India would replace it with Western stuff.

They quite literally copied everything the West made though. They would just make very minor changes and pass it off as their own stuff.


As I said, see for yourself.
 
Politicians yelling election fraud is normal.

Here's the Indian Congress "inciting rebellion."
It really isn't. If you believe there's been fraud you present evidence to the authorities.
No, you just topple it via a revolution.
Nobody organised the revolution in Ukraine. A leader broke his election promise on a key issue and then mishandled protests.
We are at peace with all our neighbors except the ones who became our enemies on the behest of the West.
Some we told Pakistan and China to engage in border disputes with you?:ROFLMAO:
You should ask if our enemies are at peace with all their neighbors instead.

Do you realize you are supporting Pakistan and China? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
No, I'm just throwing your own shit back in your own face.
So is Putin playing 4-D chess or did he get scammed?

At least he's winning.
Not based on current offensive, no change since last week.
Not in the military. They just couldn't use it in civilian tech due to copyright laws. IPR can be ignored by the military as long as it's not exported. That's actually why Soviet export stuff sucked, and India would replace it with Western stuff.
Dude, Russia were behind in electronics and computing and still are.
They quite literally copied everything the West made though. They would just make very minor changes and pass it off as their own stuff.
When they stole data on disk they had to steal a computer too.
As I said, see for yourself.
Fact.
 
The US cited Iskander-K for violations, not M. INF only applies to land-based systems.

P-800 land-based system is only capable of 400-450 km, that's the version used for Brahmos as well.
600km.


Iskander-K more like 1,500km. -M probably 700-800km.
He ran to Russia 'cause he was targeted by the West.
You have zero evidence of that, transcripts show the US was surprised by his departure. Russia invaded 2 days prior to the latter, so he fled to a country that was invading his own.
Yeah, always wondered why that wasn't your username.
You just repeat the words of a government that you know is corrupt and murders opponents.
They have noticed, and are worried. Came begging two or three times already. Plenty of state-sanctioned whining available on the Internet from both articles and diplomats, including their foreign minister. They got kicked out of pretty much everything.
Diplomats do their job but ultimately it won't affect them much at all.
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By the way,

I've always maintained that Russia is going to win this war** - unless they collapse from within owing to civil war or a coup. They simply have too many men & too much material. The Wagner rebellion was the closest the Russians came to capitulating in a manner not unlike their WW1 experience.

They've surprisingly gotten past that fiasco with little loss to morale of forces in the field (haven't seen the front collapsing or anything like that).

So, assuming they keep the war effort going - it simply comes down to who runs out of men & material first. And the answer was always going to be Ukraine. The West knows by now they can't turn the tide of the war simply by handing over leftover stocks & relatively small production batches (one could argue they always knew that, they just wanted to kill as many Russians as possible while they can), the Russian supplies & recruitment will always far outnumber anything the West can provide, because the Russians are running a war economy right now.

Western supplies CAN match or outnumber what the Russians are sending to the front if the US switches on its own war economy mode like in WW2 (nobody else in the West has the industrial base to match the Russians' output). But I doubt they want to run out of steam or endanger the economy by driving it into a post-war state where it's difficult to spin things back up while the Chinese threat is still yet to materialize. And the Chinese are theoretically capable of outproducing the US if they turn on their own war economy.

I think the US is preparing itself & its public to take this L. They know to cut losses when it's clear they're getting nowhere i.e. Vietnam. The Ukrainian government corruption, nazis within the ranks etc will be made the scapegoats.

** Defining winning as Russia ending up with more territory than it started with. In effect, meaning that they keep all the provinces they captured in the war. I doubt they can take all of Ukraine (or at least up till the Dnieper), we'll see.
Their offensive hasn't moved in a week.
 
About Pakistan being used against India.
You made your own quarrels with Pakistan, the west supported them because India supported the USSR.
So the best way for the West to stop India from overtaking it is by making Pakistan do something that forces India into a war with them. The war will damage India's economy to the extent that it will delay it. Hence a patsy. The same way Ukraine was used against Russia.
So Russia was going to overtake the US too. India can't even make its own planes, and its automotive and electronics industries aren't worth a shit. You aren't overtaking anybody.
Afghanistan was used for the same purpose against the US after 9/11. A single person brought war to the US by merely using his propensity towards violence. In exchange the US received insurmountable levels of public debt. Similarly, the West used Ukraine's legislative powers to target Russia, alongside the clown called Zelensky.
Ukraine's legislative powers don't extend beyond Ukraine's borders, so they didn't affect Russia at all.
Pakistan has plenty of Osamas and Zelenskys to make that happen against India.
Now you're equating Osama and Zelensky.:ROFLMAO: This is why Indians like you are hated on twitter, you talk non-stop shit in copious volumes. It doesn't matter that you talk it in English because it's incomprehensible anyway.

Russia's invasion and actions since 2013 are about Ukraine joining the EU and Russia's shrinking (un)economic zone. You think Putin cares about state languages?:ROFLMAO::poop:
 
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I think it's time for NATO to supply Ukraine with missiles to attack Russian defence production facilities in Russia with. If NK and Iran can do it for the Russia, then it's only fair we follow suit.

The West is already doing this stuff, and Europe provides the storm shadow. The United States provides ATACMS
 

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We should also supply brahmos or parts for it , its a joint venture any way. That way we can do the balancing act. 🍿
 
You made your own quarrels with Pakistan, the west supported them because India supported the USSR.

So Russia was going to overtake the US too. India can't even make its own planes, and its automotive and electronics industries aren't worth a shit. You aren't overtaking anybody.

Ukraine's legislative powers don't extend beyond Ukraine's borders, so they didn't affect Russia at all.

Now you're equating Osama and Zelensky.:ROFLMAO: This is why Indians like you are hated on twitter, you talk non-stop shit in copious volumes. It doesn't matter that you talk it in English because it's incomprehensible anyway.

Russia's invasion and actions since 2013 are about Ukraine joining the EU and Russia's shrinking (un)economic zone. You think Putin cares about state languages?:ROFLMAO::poop:
when you have no facts but only opinion.

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By the way,

I've always maintained that Russia is going to win this war** - unless they collapse from within owing to civil war or a coup. They simply have too many men & too much material. The Wagner rebellion was the closest the Russians came to capitulating in a manner not unlike their WW1 experience.

They've surprisingly gotten past that fiasco with little loss to morale of forces in the field (haven't seen the front collapsing or anything like that).

So, assuming they keep the war effort going - it simply comes down to who runs out of men & material first. And the answer was always going to be Ukraine. The West knows by now they can't turn the tide of the war simply by handing over leftover stocks & relatively small production batches (one could argue they always knew that, they just wanted to kill as many Russians as possible while they can), the Russian supplies & recruitment will always far outnumber anything the West can provide, because the Russians are running a war economy right now.

Western supplies CAN match or outnumber what the Russians are sending to the front if the US switches on its own war economy mode like in WW2 (nobody else in the West has the industrial base to match the Russians' output). But I doubt they want to run out of steam or endanger the economy by driving it into a post-war state where it's difficult to spin things back up while the Chinese threat is still yet to materialize. And the Chinese are theoretically capable of outproducing the US if they turn on their own war economy.

I think the US is preparing itself & its public to take this L. They know to cut losses when it's clear they're getting nowhere i.e. Vietnam. The Ukrainian government corruption, nazis within the ranks etc will be made the scapegoats.

** Defining winning as Russia ending up with more territory than it started with. In effect, meaning that they keep all the provinces they captured in the war. I doubt they can take all of Ukraine (or at least up till the Dnieper), we'll see.

If the Russians keep up their current rate of growth, they will be able to fight both the US and China at the same time in less than 20 years.
 
Nobody organised the revolution in Ukraine. A leader broke his election promise on a key issue and then mishandled protests.

Ah, yes, the police switched sides on their own then.

If the London Police and British Army stop taking orders from 10 Downing, what's that mean?

Some we told Pakistan and China to engage in border disputes with you?:ROFLMAO:

The West created the Kashmir problem. The West did not do anything about China invading and annexing Tibet.

India wouldn't have had border disputes with either country if the West played by the rules they created.

No, I'm just throwing your own shit back in your own face.

You must be covered in shit.
 

Ship-launched.

Iskander-K more like 1,500km. -M probably 700-800km.

Lol.

You have zero evidence of that, transcripts show the US was surprised by his departure. Russia invaded 2 days prior to the latter, so he fled to a country that was invading his own.

Oh, yeah, dude. He ran to the country that launched a coup against him. I bet Osama was hiding in Washington DC all along too.

You just repeat the words of a government that you know is corrupt and murders opponents.

US, UK, Russia?
You made your own quarrels with Pakistan, the west supported them because India supported the USSR.

Lol. In 1948?

So Russia was going to overtake the US too. India can't even make its own planes, and its automotive and electronics industries aren't worth a shit. You aren't overtaking anybody.

Keep believing that.

Ukraine's legislative powers don't extend beyond Ukraine's borders, so they didn't affect Russia at all.

Only if the West gave that excuse when interfering in other countries. Mybe now you understand the hypocrisy of the West.

Now you're equating Osama and Zelensky.:ROFLMAO: This is why Indians like you are hated on twitter, you talk non-stop shit in copious volumes. It doesn't matter that you talk it in English because it's incomprehensible anyway.

Yes, it is. Osama used violence. Zelensky used legislation. The end result was war for both.

Google "Cuban missile crisis." That's also almost-war through legislation.

The pen is mightier than the sword.

Russia's invasion and actions since 2013 are about Ukraine joining the EU and Russia's shrinking (un)economic zone.

About Ukraine joining the EU and NATO, and without taking into consideration Russian interests when it comes to the EU membership.

You think Putin cares about state languages?:ROFLMAO::poop:

A lot more than you think. Even the UN does, a lot.
 
The West is already doing this stuff, and Europe provides the storm shadow. The United States provides ATACMS
Ukraine has not been allowed to use western weapons against targets inside Russia yet, they have only used them against Russian targets in Ukraine itself.
 
Ah, yes, the police switched sides on their own then.

If the London Police and British Army stop taking orders from 10 Downing, what's that mean?
It likely means that they feel the government is the one at fault, loss of confidence in government.
The West created the Kashmir problem.
Only by not splitting Kashmir between you in the first place.
The West did not do anything about China invading and annexing Tibet.
Nor could they do anything about the CCP takeover in the first place, your point?
India wouldn't have had border disputes with either country if the West played by the rules they created.
You mean if you two had respected the borders they created. You didn't like the borders, so you argued over them, and you'd have argued wherever they'd been put.
You must be covered in shit.
...from the state of diarrhoea.
 
Ship-launched.
Land-launched versions too. And both Iskander-K and -M break 500km.
Fact.
Oh, yeah, dude. He ran to the country that launched a coup against him. I bet Osama was hiding in Washington DC all along too.
He ran to Russia after they invaded Ukraine - fact. Traitor much?
US, UK, Russia?


Lol. In 1948?
Yes. Your great hero Chandra Bose was on his travels there when his plane crashed.
Keep believing that.
Will do.
Only if the West gave that excuse when interfering in other countries. Mybe now you understand the hypocrisy of the West.
Afghanistan - UN mandate due to 9/11 attack.

Iraq - Leader invaded Kuwait, used chemical weapons at home and over the border, sponsored terrorists and broke multiple laws.

Maybe now you understand your false equivalency. Did Ukraine launch a 9/11-style or even October 7th-style attack inside Russia? Did they use Sarin against anyone, or invade a neighbour? No. So there is no hypocrisy, what do you not understand about that. Hypocrisy requires different judgements/reactions under the same conditions, not massively different conditions. You speak English but you do not seem to understand it.
Yes, it is. Osama used violence. Zelensky used legislation. The end result was war for both.
So when a nation makes its own language the official government language that's the same as killing 3,000 civilians in another country? WTF are you on? Ukrainian had been the only official Ukrainian language for ages before it had been recently changed to include Russian, so it's not like it was something massively out of the ordinary.
Google "Cuban missile crisis." That's also almost-war through legislation.
Show me what nuclear missiles the US tried to base in Ukraine?
The pen is mightier than the sword.



About Ukraine joining the EU and NATO, and without taking into consideration Russian interests when it comes to the EU membership.



A lot more than you think. Even the UN does, a lot.
If Ukraine had continued to join the EEU under Zelensky, Russia would not have given a shit about languages. Ukraine was never likely to join NATO before this war, and neither were Sweden or Finland, they'd stayed out of it for the last 74 years. Russia's aggression forces other countries to join NATO.