So apart from Georgia & Ukraine where he drew red lines well in advance , what exactly have his troops been invading ?
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This coming from the idiot who thinks Russia are friendly and will protect India against China, or even sell them spares during such an event.
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That's a long ways away. It depends on what the West will do during crisis. I don't know how you live your life, but here's an advice, keep being friends with people who stay by you during times of crisis, not otherwise. QUAD has done nothing that favours India. Otoh, Biden expects India to go beyond the mandate of QUAD when it's supposed to be restricted to the Indo-Pacific.
They have now as a result of the invasion. But I don't see anyone voting for pro-Russian parties now anyway. I think that ship has been sailed and/or been SRBM'd.
Ukraine suspends 11 political parties with links to Russia
Zelenskiy says parties such as Viktor Medvedchuk’s Opposition Platform for Life are ‘aimed at division or collusion’www.theguardian.com
Of course. All opposition is being removed. Voice of all Russians are being suppressed. Nice democracy.
In India, the Congress has links to Pakistan, Left have significant links with China, both still functioning. That's a democracy.
Not for any of those reasons. Gulf monarchies that support the West are fine, the ones that do not support the West need to go. Those are the rules.
Look up INF.
NATO cannot protect those countries, so it's fine. Baltic states have no strategic depth, so there's no use in placing missiles there. They will get taken out.
Look up INF.
Today, the Azov Regiment of the National Guard of Ukraine has suffered the biggest losses since its inception. We can say that it no longer exists as a single unit.
Mariupol is part of the DPR. Expect an official announcement. Head of the DPR Denis Pushilin and State Duma deputies Turchak and Sablin are already in Mariupol.
Mariupol is part of the DPR. Expect an official announcement. Head of the DPR Denis Pushilin and State Duma deputies Turchak and Sablin are already in Mariupol.
Russia only stood by you in 1971 because they were Communist and you were Socialist at the time. Biden will obviously encourage you to vote against Russia when it invades a democracy. What do you expect him to do?
Well they were only removed 4 days ago, so it took Putin 24 days of an attempted invasion to get them removed. Before Putin invaded they were very much a part of the democratic process. The move may be reversed after the war ends. Being invaded is not business as usual and you are super-dumb if you expect it to be. Both the UK and US suspended elections completely during WWII. What Ukraine is experiencing now, you haven't experienced for hundreds of years. So haven't a clue what you are talking about.
Indeed it is but neither Pakistan nor China is currently trying to take over your country. Come back when they are and tell me the same thing. You're trying to compare normal procedure with emergency procedure.
After 9/11 every country's leader went on TV and said what a tragedy it was, even Iran, Saddam Hussein however said some BS about reaping the thorny seeds that they'd sewn, so I think Bush decided to show him exactly what that looked like first hand. He was subsequently executed by his own people 5 years after saying that. Kind of ironic really don't you think?
I know what the INF is. The US only pulled out of it because China is not a signatory, and the INF leaves their hands tied in that area. The INF not only bans land-based nuclear SS missiles with a range of 500-5,500km, it bans conventional ones too. The US pulled out to build conventional ones to counter China. There were no plans to point any at Russia. And Russia had already breached that treaty with at least two missiles anyway, and they were testing a third. Russia just builds missiles capable of more than 500km and then downrates the range of land-based ones. The treaty was pointless anyway, because with depressed trajectories you can make ICBMs and SLBMs do less than 5,500km range anyway. Then there was Russia's nuclear-powered cruise missile, which was breach in principle, since it could land anywhere it liked, well before or after 5,500km. So the treaty was meaningless bollox by that point anyway.
You don't need strategic depth to fire off nuclear-tipped SRBM/MRBMs. You're now making up excuses to cover-up nonsense that even you know is nonsense. Putin was scared of MRBMs in Ukraine so he invaded them and then parked some ships within range of SRBMs.
INF was already defunct and breached years before the US withdrew. The Iskander-M clearly does not have a range of only 500km and if you put cruise missiles that have a range of 2,500km at sea on a land launcher, you cannot just say that their range is now 500km. Ditto for the Zircon, not to mention the nuclear-powered one.
That's precisely why I linked that video in my response to you numskull. For you, subtleties, nuances & colors other than b & w don't exist.
We don't need Russia to support us during a conflict with China. Don't get me wrong, if they do support us it's more than welcome. What we need is their neutrality. What we also need is a restraining force on China of it's possible. The present unstable peace on the LAC is as much due to the pressure exerted by the Quad as quiet diplomacy exercised by Russia on China. Of course a good deal of it was also at the behest of China apart from India urging Russia to nudge China. More importantly we need to prevent Russia from being sucked into China's orbit completely becoming dependant on it. That's something which we just cannot afford.
Moreover this isn't about exclusively that either. With US moving around drunk on it's own power , dictating terms to all & sundry & the EU not emerging into a coherent independent bloc it's essential Russia stays there as a check on the EU lest we or the rest of the world see another powerful bloc emerge which is a mirror image of the US.
These are too complex matters for simple minds with simplistic lineages to comprehend Paddy. I'm tired of repeating this stuff for the past 7 yrs & counting now.
Dammit! If erstwhile menials start understanding the nuances of diplomacy & geo strategy what are diplomats to do then? Plough the fields & sow potato saplings?
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The Black Sea Fleet strikes at the Armed Forces of Ukraine!
Caliber-NK cruise missiles have just been launched from the Sevastopol region from a small rocket ship. 8 missiles rush to the targets:
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Caliber-NK cruise missiles have just been launched from the Sevastopol region from a small rocket ship. 8 missiles rush to the targets:
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🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡The Black Sea Fleet strikes at the Armed Forces of Ukraine! Caliber-NK cruise missiles have just been launched from the Sevastopol region from a small rocket ship. 8 missiles rush to the targets
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It's a 5 yr old interview, Paddy & Sweetie, but this is what the Russkies think about the US & by extension it's minion the UK. Come to think of it, he isn't wrong. Not when you see how you guys scrammed out of Afghanistan or the way you backed out of supporting Ukraine with boots on the ground. How very prescient!!
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@randomradio. Also explain to me how Russia having the Donbass would change the missile situation while you're at it.
Putin’s war to wipe out 15 years of progress for Russian economy
Russia’s economy is expected to contract 15 percent in 2022, followed by a decline of 3 percent in 2023, economists say.
Russia is set to erase 15 years of economic gains by the end of 2023 after its invasion of Ukraine spurred a multitude of sanctions and prompted companies to pull out of the country, according to the Institute of International Finance.
The economy is expected to contract 15% in 2022, followed by a decline of 3% in 2023, leaving gross domestic product where it was about fifteen years ago, economists Benjamin Hilgenstock and Elina Ribakova wrote in a preliminary assessment of the impact of the war, noting that further sanctions may change their view.
Donbas was amongst the political power centers of Ukraine. If you want the Russians gone from Ukraine, you need Russian supporters gone too. So the West practially planned a coup and the population there was disenfranchised in 2014 by the Ukrainians. It's kinda like if the Scottish or the Welsh were no longer allowed to vote. This was followed by the systematic genocide of Ukrainian Russians in Donbas before Putin stepped in to stabilise the situation. But the Ukrainians continued to kill Russian civilians over the last 8 years in order to depopulate the region.
Poroshenko made a lot of changes for the eventual disenfranchisement of all Ukrainian Russians, like the Language law. In many regions the Russian population is so low that no Ukrainian MP would represent them, so they dependended on Russian populous regions like Donbas and Crimea. Later he conspired with Ukrainian Nazis to continue the genocide in Donbas.
Zelensky came to power and things went to sh!t. At first he was against the Language law, pulling wool over the eyes of Russians who voted for him en masse in 2019 because they saw Poroshenko as an enemy. But he continued supporting the Language law.
Then, he made constitution amendments saying Ukraine will join NATO and the EU.
Ukraine President Signs Constitutional Amendment On NATO, EU Membership
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has signed a constitutional amendment committing the country to becoming a member of NATO and the European Union.
www.rferl.org
The West kept encouraging Zelensky to apply, with no actual intention of allowing Ukraine to join. And when he applied, the Russians decided to invade.
Now, Zelensky has outlawed Russians, Russian media and anything to do with Russia. So the Russians in Ukraine no longer have a voice. His only real opposition left is Poroshenko, and he is facing criminal charges with a very long jail time.
That's the "democracy" you're supporting.
Donbas has nothing to do with missiles. With the Ukrainian Russians out of the way of policymaking, the Ukrainians can sell themselves to NATO and NATO can later place missiles in Ukraine that threaten Moscow. Russia obviously want to prevent that from happening.
No. Whenever we voted for the SU in the UN, it gave them a lot of legitimacy because the Third World like Africa and South America respected India, especially our NAM credentials. So this kind of legitimacy was diplomatically crucial for the SU. America hated out NAM position.
No, they were disenfranchised.
Actually they have both been actively trying to break up India. The Chinese since the 60s through Naxals, Maoists NE terrorists and the Pakistanis through Kashmir and Punjab.
Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir - Wikipedia
Khalistan movement - Wikipedia
Naxalite–Maoist insurgency - Wikipedia
Insurgency in Northeast India - Wikipedia
The Naxals are still considered to be India's biggest threat.
Maoism remains India’s biggest internal security threat
Managing India’s internal security cannot be a part-time job. There are too many challenges, and too many critical decisions to be made on a regular basis. An internal security ministry needs to be hived off from the MHA — the secretary of the ministry must be a specialist, either a serving or...
The West looked the other way when China began funding insurgencies in India since the 70s. Still are.
While all the insurgencies are fizzling out, now the West is supporting Khalistani terrorists, in Britain and Canada, a threat that died in the 80s.
It will take a very long time for the West to actually fix relations with India. I'm guessing 20-30 years at the minimum, unless there's a big war involving India and China.
No matter the reasons, it's an existential threat to Russia if missiles are placed in Ukraine.
Yes, you do. How will the Baltic protect itself from an invasion, if it happens?
Long-Range Hypersonic Weapon - Wikipedia
Ukraine Says It Destroyed A Large Russian Ship
Ukraine said on Thursday it had destroyed a large Russian landing support ship, the Orsk, at the Russian-occupied port of Berdiansk on the Sea of Azov.
www.ndtv.com
Time for the Russian fan boys to accept the reality.
Gorabachev in the late 90's on NATO's expansion to the east, in a clip released around 2015 by AFP. To all the Western members here, Putin to you may be Hitler incarnate & the very definition of evil but Gorbachev, no friend of Putin, is certainly held in higher esteem in the West, perhaps much more so than in his own native Russia where he's mostly held as solely responsible for the downfall & dissolution of the SU & treated with disdain & contempt but mostly ignored , had this to say.
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Damn! What's this Paddy & Sweetie? I thought, whatever one may consider the Azov Battalion to be, at least they were brave enough to stick around in Mariupol facing what maybe certain death in the light of Russian demands that the city surrender & the civilian population be allowed to leave. Calling these Trannies Nazis would be insulting to the Nazis. At least most of those Nazis fought to the death & achieved Valhalla. These Trannies are the ones both of you would salivate on.
Instead they seemed good to only terrorize unarmed civilians. I mean are you guys really banking on these pussies to save Ukraine just so you can strut around the world claiming you defeated Russia. Haven't you dumbfucks learnt anything from your recent debacle in Afghanistan or your entire history there for the past 4 decades?
This is precisely what I meant by the Irishification of the Western world. Being Irish means repeating the same exercise time & again expecting different results.
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