Ukraine - Russia Conflict

The European countries and US are much closer to the top of the list, therefore we are better placed to decide who is a democracy and who isn't.
When the Irish get to decide the future of the world , I can say that God has decided to amuse himself at the cost of the world using the Irish as a catalyst .

I mean I would laugh out loud if the issue wasn't so serious - a 2 bit descendant of potato cultivators lecturing us on democracy when in 500 BCE we had some of the oldest Republics the world knew.

More importantly when Irishman here had his ancestors kindle fire the old fashioned method & served as hunter gatherers grunting by way of communication. Most of these traits still persist. All you've to do is peel the facade.
 
One Mick in Washington & look at what he's unleashed ?! From east to west everyone is either settling scores or preparing to do so while the single biggest threat to the US is being mollycoddled by Irish Joe & his son & their cronies.
 
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Their elections are internationally approved so your opinion is irrelevant. And as a supporter of Russia, where opposition members and journalists get killed, you wouldn't know democracy if it bit you on your ar5e cheeks.

Not by France or Germany though.

India is ranked 85, which is also way lower than any NATO country (e.g. UK is 11), so you must not be a democracy either. Russia is 136.

India's score is 40, here's what it says about that:

India is a Third World country, Ukraine is not. So it's normal for India's corruption score to be low. But we have a robust democracy and rule of law. Our opposition leaders don't have to go into hiding. Even separatists are in India, in positions of power. In Ukraine, everybody against the govt has been banned.

The European countries and US are much closer to the top of the list, therefore we are better placed to decide who is a democracy and who isn't.

Which is why France and Germany decided Ukraine is not a democracy yet.

So, you have serious problems. However, it is often difficult to route out corruption, especially in fledgling democracies like Ukraine. In 2010 Ukraine was 146 on the same list, so they are at least improving. You, however sir, were 91, you so you barely improved at all. You've also had like 75 years to unfuuck yourselves, whereas they've only had 7, whilst in the middle of wars with Russia and lots of Russian meddling.


Take the log out of your own eye first. Honestly, avid RT watchers daring to lecture on democracy and corruption.:ROFLMAO:

Funny how you suddenly start discussing the irrelevant when pushed into a corner.
 
Not by France or Germany though.
That has nothing to do with the actual fairness of the vote, it's legacy corruption from before 2014 that they're trying to weed out.

India is a Third World country, Ukraine is not. So it's normal for India's corruption score to be low. But we have a robust democracy and rule of law. Our opposition leaders don't have to go into hiding. Even separatists are in India, in positions of power. In Ukraine, everybody against the govt has been banned.
Oh so now you're a third world country? Still, even after 75 years? You haven't been in a state of partial invasion since 2014 and don't try claim that little fragment of a sh1thole in the mountains is even close to what Ukraine has been under. The pre-2013 guy in Ukraine ran off with his money to Russia, which is even lower in the rankings. Where opposition leaders and journalists die. That isn't 'hiding', that is called escaping justice.

Which is why France and Germany decided Ukraine is not a democracy yet.
France and Germany didn't want to be liable for defending Ukraine militarily and Germany was far too cosy with Russian gas. That's the real reason, it had nothing to do with democracy. Hungary and Romania both scored below 50 on the same index and they are in NATO, it's clearly more about geography.

Funny how you suddenly start discussing the irrelevant when pushed into a corner.
It isn't irrelevant though, the change in the rankings since 2010 indicates a move in the right direction from 146 to 117, despite upheaval and Russian meddling. That's positive progress since leaving the Russian orbit. In India meanwhile, zero improvement over the same period.


 
Next you'll complain about the west not supporting you, just remember that this is why. This is not neutrality, this is not looking after India's need for oil and gas, this is propping up a war criminal by setting up an alternative distribution network, just like the Russia supplying the Nazis with oil and gas at the start of WWII.

 
The combat work of the Russian artillery together with the operators of the UAV "Orlan-10" on the column of the MLRS "Grad" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine:

 
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Destroyed Ukrainian Kozak armoured vehicle:

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The combat work of the Russian artillery together with the operators of the UAV "Orlan-10" on the column of the MLRS "Grad" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine:

Assuming the black squares were the vehicles, whole lot of miss right there.

Destroyed Ukrainian Kozak armoured vehicle:

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Looks more like a DUI collision than destroyed to me.
 
The destroyed 25th brigade of the military transport aviation of the Air Force of Ukraine in Melitopol:

 
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The destroyed 25th brigade of the military transport aviation of the Air Force of Ukraine in Melitopol:

Looks like Russia is focussing completely on the east . Once that is secured they'd move on to other campaigns whatever they may be . Gradually the Russians seem to be getting their act together after much huffing & puffing. Mariupol has just fallen. More cities seem on the verge of being taken . What say you Paddy ? @BMD
 
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Oh so now you're a third world country? Still, even after 75 years? You haven't been in a state of partial invasion since 2014 and don't try claim that little fragment of a sh1thole in the mountains is even close to what Ukraine has been under. The pre-2013 guy in Ukraine ran off with his money to Russia, which is even lower in the rankings. Where opposition leaders and journalists die. That isn't 'hiding', that is called escaping justice.

India being poor or Russian being autocratic have nothing to do with why France and Germany think Ukraine isn't a democracy.

France and Germany didn't want to be liable for defending Ukraine militarily and Germany was far too cosy with Russian gas. That's the real reason, it had nothing to do with democracy. Hungary and Romania both scored below 50 on the same index and they are in NATO, it's clearly more about geography.

Corruption has nothing to do with democracy. You can have worse corruption than Ukraine, like India, and still be more democratic than Ukraine, like India. Hungary and Romania are democracies, not Ukraine.

Ukraine no longer has an opposition, it ceased being a democracy long ago, it in fact never was, since the Europeans or Russians would decide who the leaders were.
 
Ah ! So , the next target for a Maidan like staged revolution has already been identified & work to effect this has commenced. It's only a matter of when not if ? Another slaughterhouse in the making , this one right on the doorstep of Poland & the Baltic Republics . Will be fun to see the spillover to these places.
 
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Explosive video: The Russian army destroyed the ammunition depot of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Chernihiv

 
Next you'll complain about the west not supporting you, just remember that this is why. This is not neutrality, this is not looking after India's need for oil and gas, this is propping up a war criminal by setting up an alternative distribution network, just like the Russia supplying the Nazis with oil and gas at the start of WWII.

Actually India is not expecting any support from anybody.

Neutrality has nothing to do with what you think it is. It only means we want to keep our relations going as they were before without us taking any political side. Being neutral means we do not share your views, we simply have our own views.

You sound like one of your college feminists. "If you don't agree with me, then you're a bigot".

For India, the main concern is China. If you also have the same concern, then we can share objectives. Everything else is your own headache, we don't wanna deal with your sh!t. The fact is the US needs India more than India needs the US.

Most of the world doesn't think of Putin as a war criminal anyway. Only sheep do.