And I thought April 1st was 6 days ago . Guess for some it's April 1st all 365 days of the year.
Ukraine - Russia Conflict
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The work of the BMP-2 in the area of Severodonetsk:
There's nothing 'new' happening. The switch to hydrocarbon imports from defence imports was always going to happen due to the significant reduction in defence imports. We even have plans for a gas pipeline through Iran/China.
Free elections mean zilch without the pre- and post-election processes also being free.
We are not 'friends' with anybody. We only have relations and strategic partners that mutually benefit each other. It's not exclusive.
I already told ya, Ukraine has no opposition. Most have been suppressed, banned, fled or are facing criminal charges. Plus the new language policy is no different from what is seen in autocratic states, it would never happen in a democracy.
Early you mentioned that Ukraine banned political parties, one being the Communist Party, well so has India. So it's like I said, either Ukraine is a democracy or India is not a democracy.
List of organisations banned by the Government of India - Wikipedia
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Read your own link first. Those were Chinese-sponsored terrorist organisations that actually waged war on India and are still waging war on India. I mean, to dumb it down for you, we are actually fighting them even today. They have child soldiers and whatnot.
Regular communist parties are still running around freely.
List of communist parties in India - Wikipedia
The rest are Islamic and Khalistani terrorist groups.
Azov pigs are running away, as they understand that they will be leveled:
The original link said, "new." That's not business as usual, that's milking the situation and helping Russia evade sanctions.There's nothing 'new' happening. The switch to hydrocarbon imports from defence imports was always going to happen due to the significant reduction in defence imports. We even have plans for a gas pipeline through Iran/China.
Free elections mean zilch without the pre- and post-election processes also being free.
We are not 'friends' with anybody. We only have relations and strategic partners that mutually benefit each other. It's not exclusive.
I already told ya, Ukraine has no opposition. Most have been suppressed, banned, fled or are facing criminal charges. Plus the new language policy is no different from what is seen in autocratic states, it would never happen in a democracy.
Read your own link first. Those were Chinese-sponsored terrorist organisations that actually waged war on India and are still waging war on India. I mean, to dumb it down for you, we are actually fighting them even today. They have child soldiers and whatnot.
Regular communist parties are still running around freely.
List of communist parties in India - Wikipedia
The rest are Islamic and Khalistani terrorist groups.
They are free. Only criminal enterprises like the Communist Party are banned.
Your strategic partners are war criminals who invade countries and massacre townships, that's not a good look, and it will not be beneficial in the long run.
Only parties implicit in Russian-backed terrorist attacks/sabotage and criminal activities have been banned and most of those were only banned after the current invasion started, which is emergency protocol, not normal operating procedure. The Communist Party of the Donetsk People's Republic for example. Use your brain here for a change, has there ever been a good example of anyone calling themselves a 'People's Republic'?
Yeah, and the ones banned in Ukraine are Russian-sponsored terrorist organisations that are actually waging an invasion right now, ongoing since 2014. You know the war thing that's going on like right now. They don't have child soldiers but many of them ain't really adults either. Parties that have annexed, or attempted to annex parts of Ukraine, and blocked participation in the genuine Ukrainian elections.
So like I said originally, if Ukraine isn't a democracy then India isn't either. Again, use your brain here, look at Russia, if RT is highlighting them as 'breaches of democracy', they probably aren't, since Russia is not a democracy, receiving a far lower score than Ukraine. Broadly speaking, over 5 means they are trying to be a democratic, scores like 2 and 3 are not trying, not even slightly.
Democracy Countries 2024
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As per Paddy here Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya , Syria were all humanitarian interventions , millions of dead in the invasions & it's aftermath notwithstanding, which begs the question why is the West shitting bricks when it comes to Iran or N Korea or even Paxtan the prime proliferator of N weapons tech & the means to make it ?
Paddy won't answer not because he has a limited vocabulary , lesser powers of articulation & an even lesser intellect to grasp the issue at hand - all of which he does but he simply fails to understand power politics for all the reasons described above & more , it's implications & the fallacy of bringing in moral arguments to justify power politics.
This is precisely why I refuse to believe the critical race theory for it doesn't take into account ethnicities with diminished powers of cognition & intellect. To make matters worse, one of them is now in command of a vast N arsenal & he can't even remember where & when was the last time he took a piss.
JC was right when he said the meek would inherit the earth. What he didn't elaborate on was how it would come about?! The first step towards it was the Irishification of the Western world & then sit back & see the fun.
The original link said, "new." That's not business as usual, that's milking the situation and helping Russia evade sanctions.There's nothing 'new' happening. The switch to hydrocarbon imports from defence imports was always going to happen due to the significant reduction in defence imports. We even have plans for a gas pipeline through Iran/China.
Free elections mean zilch without the pre- and post-election processes also being free.
We are not 'friends' with anybody. We only have relations and strategic partners that mutually benefit each other. It's not exclusive.
I already told ya, Ukraine has no opposition. Most have been suppressed, banned, fled or are facing criminal charges. Plus the new language policy is no different from what is seen in autocratic states, it would never happen in a democracy.
Read your own link first. Those were Chinese-sponsored terrorist organisations that actually waged war on India and are still waging war on India. I mean, to dumb it down for you, we are actually fighting them even today. They have child soldiers and whatnot.
Regular communist parties are still running around freely.
List of communist parties in India - Wikipedia
The rest are Islamic and Khalistani terrorist groups.
They are free. Only criminal enterprises like the Communist Party are banned.
Your strategic partners are war criminals who invade countries and massacre townships, that's not a good look, and it will not be beneficial in the long run.
Only parties implicit in Russian-backed terrorist attacks/sabotage and criminal activities have been banned and most of those were only banned after the current invasion started, which is emergency protocol, not normal operating procedure. The Communist Party of the Donetsk People's Republic for example. Use your brain here for a change, has there ever been a good example of anyone calling themselves a 'People's Republic'?
Yeah, and the ones banned in Ukraine are Russian-sponsored terrorist organisations that are actually waging an invasion right now, ongoing since 2014. You know the war thing that's going on like right now. They don't have child soldiers but many of them ain't really adults either. Parties that have annexed, or attempted to annex parts of Ukraine, and blocked participation in the genuine Ukrainian elections.
So like I said originally, if Ukraine isn't a democracy then India isn't either. Again, use your brain here, look at Russia, if RT is highlighting them as 'breaches of democracy', they probably aren't, since Russia is not a democracy, receiving a far lower score than Ukraine. Broadly speaking, over 5 means they are trying to be a democratic, scores like 2 and 3 are not trying, not even slightly.
Democracy Countries 2024
Total Score
Ukraine - 5.81
India - 6.61
Russia - 3.31
China - 2.27
Civil Liberties
Ukraine - 5.81
India - 5.59
Electoral Process/Pluralism
Ukraine - 8
India - 8
Political Participation
Ukraine - 7
India - 6
Political Culture
Ukraine - 5
India - 5
Functioning of Government
Ukraine - 2.71
India - 7.14
So Ukrainian democracy is either equal to or better than Indian democracy in every regard except the functioning of government due to the disarray caused by Russian annexations, meddling and invasions, plus post-revolution turmoil and the fact that they're new to it. It's difficult to enforce rules and implement ideas in annexed areas, or amid insurgencies, ergo disfunction. Give them 75 years and allow them to get rid of the remaining elements of the 'Russian Raj' and I'm sure that will improve.
And RT lectures on democracy.
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We aren't milking anything. The Russians are merely selling what we always buy from them at a cheaper price than others.
If other countries are willing to circumvent illegal Western sanctions through the Indian banking system, the alternative is to actually end sanctions. Nothing surprising that you do not know this, but unilateral sanctions are illegal. "You" can stop buying Russian goods, but it's illegal to bully others to do the same.
The sanctions themselves are illegal, period. Only UNSC sanctions are legal.
Destroyed equipment of artillerymen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine:
That's not what the link said. The link referred to new opportunities.We aren't milking anything. The Russians are merely selling what we always buy from them at a cheaper price than others.
If other countries are willing to circumvent illegal Western sanctions through the Indian banking system, the alternative is to actually end sanctions. Nothing surprising that you do not know this, but unilateral sanctions are illegal. "You" can stop buying Russian goods, but it's illegal to bully others to do the same.
The sanctions themselves are illegal, period. Only UNSC sanctions are legal.
Only Russia vetoed it, but since they are the culprit, their veto is irrelevant.
So you ignored all the other bits in that study. Here they are again until I get a sensible response from you. Their civil liberties and political participation is better than India's. Only annexations, insurgencies and invasions have curtailed the functioning of government. Still better than Russia though and they would be better than you if Russia would keep out of their country.
Democracy Countries 2024
Total Score
Ukraine - 5.81
India - 6.61
Russia - 3.31
China - 2.27
Civil Liberties
Ukraine - 5.81 (Better than India's for all your claims about it.)
India - 5.59
North Korea - Unrated, i.e. 0
China 1.18
Electoral Process/Pluralism
Ukraine - 8
India - 8
Political Participation
Ukraine - 7 (Better than India's)
India - 6
China - 2
North Korea - 1
Political Culture
Ukraine - 5
India - 5
Functioning of Government
Ukraine - 2.71
India - 7.14
China - 4.29 (Clearly more to do with the ability to control population than actual democracy.)
Russia - 2.14
So Ukrainian democracy is either equal to or better than Indian democracy in every regard except the functioning of government due to the disarray caused by Russian annexations, meddling and invasions, plus post-revolution turmoil and the fact that they're new to it. It's difficult to enforce rules and implement ideas in annexed areas, or amid insurgencies, ergo disfunction. Give them 75 years and allow them to get rid of the remaining elements of the 'Russian Raj' and I'm sure that will improve.
Civil Liberties, electoral process/pluralism and political participation are really a better measure.
Also related to Volnovakha. Kremlin-backed bombing of a civilian bus. One of those banned political parties @randomradio.
Volnovakha bus attack - Wikipedia
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Lol, what link?
Which is why the UNSC is useless and requires reforms. But until then, if it's not UNSC mandated sanctions, any and all sanctions are illegal.
Leftist BS.
Leftist BS. It's 'cause the right wing keeps winning.
Read this to understand why.
You’re wrong to think Hindu Right turned anti-America. It’s American Left that’s anti-India
American 'experts' have an anti-India bias that started with Bush's tilt towards Delhi. With Trump, it was the perfect storm for US Left to react.
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Leftist BS.
Real metric, since it can't be faked. Everything else is subject to interpretation.
Why is this score high? Because India is actually a democracy that works like one. Which is also why India's score here is very similar to that of the UK, France, US etc.
India is a "flawed democracy" because Modi came to power. Nothing more. The minute India is led by a weak govt with no direction, it will become a "full democracy". But such labels cannot take away from the fact that the govt functions to the same level as Western Europe, because we have the same levels of rule of law and transparency.
Otoh, Ukraine is considered a "Hybrid Regime". So...
Now that you're here @Amal , perhaps you'd like to have a word with Paddy. He seems to be suffering from a rather curious case of self righteousness .The original link said, "new." That's not business as usual, that's milking the situation and helping Russia evade sanctions.
They are free. Only criminal enterprises like the Communist Party are banned.
Your strategic partners are war criminals who invade countries and massacre townships, that's not a good look, and it will not be beneficial in the long run.
Only parties implicit in Russian-backed terrorist attacks/sabotage and criminal activities have been banned and most of those were only banned after the current invasion started, which is emergency protocol, not normal operating procedure. The Communist Party of the Donetsk People's Republic for example. Use your brain here for a change, has there ever been a good example of anyone calling themselves a 'People's Republic'?
Yeah, and the ones banned in Ukraine are Russian-sponsored terrorist organisations that are actually waging an invasion right now, ongoing since 2014. You know the war thing that's going on like right now. They don't have child soldiers but many of them ain't really adults either. Parties that have annexed, or attempted to annex parts of Ukraine, and blocked participation in the genuine Ukrainian elections.
So like I said originally, if Ukraine isn't a democracy then India isn't either. Again, use your brain here, look at Russia, if RT is highlighting them as 'breaches of democracy', they probably aren't, since Russia is not a democracy, receiving a far lower score than Ukraine. Broadly speaking, over 5 means they are trying to be a democratic, scores like 2 and 3 are not trying, not even slightly.
Democracy Countries 2024
worldpopulationreview.com
Total Score
Ukraine - 5.81
India - 6.61
Russia - 3.31
China - 2.27
Civil Liberties
Ukraine - 5.81
India - 5.59
Electoral Process/Pluralism
Ukraine - 8
India - 8
Political Participation
Ukraine - 7
India - 6
Political Culture
Ukraine - 5
India - 5
Functioning of Government
Ukraine - 2.71
India - 7.14
So Ukrainian democracy is either equal to or better than Indian democracy in every regard except the functioning of government due to the disarray caused by Russian annexations, meddling and invasions, plus post-revolution turmoil and the fact that they're new to it. It's difficult to enforce rules and implement ideas in annexed areas, or amid insurgencies, ergo disfunction. Give them 75 years and allow them to get rid of the remaining elements of the 'Russian Raj' and I'm sure that will improve.
Its not about word, its about action.
How many Kashmiri or Punjabi/Khalistani separatists are operating out of Russia? Out of UK? Out of US?
How many times Pradava or RT said "Oh poor Kashmiri militants!" "Oh India is opressing Farmers!"?
How many times UK / US / Canada did?
Should India care if Russia is lying? Russian stance wrt India has been consistent. The only major change has been its increasing closeness to China. India has since also increased more objective based closeness to US/NATO.
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You don't even know the answer to the first question yourself. A lot of Chechens were found in Afghanistan, let's just put it that way. You also have your ex-USSR x-stan countries to your north.
You'd have to give specific examples. And I can't see how this compares to murdering a town, two now.
Yes, India should care if Russia is lying. Until it isn't. That should bother you a lot more than it does.