Ukraine - Russia Conflict

yeah they are idiots, they lost more ppl than germans in ww2 ,does that mean their victory is irrelevant & useless? why dont fan boys like you accept that its NATO vs Russia, not just ukraine. Nato & US has provided military support worth nearly $60 billion thats nearly the defence budget of russia. As a matter of fact we can say its ww3 , nato vs russia.

It took so long for you to accept it.

Suppose say they lose another 50k , totaling to 80k in the process taking over 50% of ukraine ( which is bigger than france) it is still a big deal. It is a body blow to ukraine to lose sea access and half the territory.

Problem with west when they start losing they keep changing goal posts to fit their russia is losing narrative. If russia says it is going to kill ukraine but ends up short of killing but maiming it severely in the process , does that mean ukraine has won bcos it survived as a crippled country ? If thats the wests definition of victory russia would be happy to accept it. It gives them another 10-15 years of time to build up for next round of conflict.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Ukraine only has very limited access to a select range of defensive NATO weapons. It does not have the thousands of aircraft and 1,000+ stealth jets that NATO has, or the navies, or the cruise missiles, PrSM, GMLRS-ER etc. It certainly isn't WW3, that would be nuclear and nobody wins that and everyone dies. Putin knows he would lose a conventional war, that's why he keeps making nuclear threats/bluffs. Maybe we'll let him punch himself out first and then rollover him.

That Ukraine has some neo-Nazis in it, just like Russia and every other European nation?

They will lose more than 80k taking have of Ukraine, given that it took them a month to gain a few km in the Donbass and they lost Kharkiv in the process, which actually negates the achievement.

Russia will lose because the sanctions will never be removed whilst they remain in Ukraine, and Ukrainians will never stop fighting. So he will be losing economically, whilst losing copious amounts of military assets and personnel in the field. No Ukraine with Russian troops in it will ever see Russia trading with the EU.

But yeah, he did go for all of Ukraine but then focussed on the little bit in the bottom left where the borders are shaped highly advantageously for an attacker.
 
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Industrial areas and areas of agricultural importance to be more specific, they will also give direct connectivity to Crimea now. They will also cut off rest of the Ukraine from sea and make them land locked in coming years, that is what I believe.

That was always the plan. Now we gotta see what's next.
 
I know about that. Most of eastern Europe and Balkans are basically backward white trash for all matters and purposes. But it's funny how they are trying to say that they will create a white nation by removing Chinese, africans and Arabs when they are the biggest supporters of the Russian cause. It's actually hilarious how double-tongued the Russians are.

The Russians won't stop until they don't take Odessa. I guess they will take luhansk and Donetsk, LOC-ise that region and then rush for Odessa and connect it to transnistria. They don't really want Kyiv
I'd prefer to say that Eastern Europe is basically Western Europe from 60 years ago. Soviet occupation delayed their social development.

Taking Odessa and linking Transnistria could prove complicated, because if the Ukrainian army were looking for a place to retreat to, they could happily retreat into Transnistria, and lets face it, they would have no problem wiping their backsides with any Transnistrian opposition.
That was always the plan. Now we gotta see what's next.
Maybe Turkey makes Russia land-locked too if that happens.
 
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Let me guess, now Boris is never planning on returning to Russia...
 
I'd prefer to say that Eastern Europe is basically Western Europe from 60 years ago. Soviet occupation delayed their social development.

Taking Odessa and linking Transnistria could prove complicated, because if the Ukrainian army were looking for a place to retreat to, they could happily retreat into Transnistria, and lets face it, they would have no problem wiping their backsides with any Transnistrian opposition.

Maybe Turkey makes Russia land-locked too if that happens.
Turkey can't handle an offensive war against russia. Although turkey will perform far better against the Russians than ukriane.
 
Lol. Are Russians and their fool fanboys really going to celebrate and declare victory IF they encircle Severodonetsk? After 3 months and thousands of dead Russian troops and hundreds maybe thousand of tanks and armored vehicles lost in Donbas alone they will celebrate victory for being able to take a few miles of Ukraine held Donbas land from the start of the war? Oy! Lets remember what was their goal when they were defeated in Kyiv...

Putin is getting desperate, he's scrabbling for something that will give him an excuse for wasting 30,000 Russians. He's hoping that people will agree to let him have it and remove sanctions, he's a terribly deluded imbecile. He should have quit while he was ahead after Crimea. He could have built an artificial land bridge to Crimea Chinese-style and a water pipe for many times less than this war has cost him.
Let me guess, now Boris is never planning on returning to Russia...
Of course not, they would kill him after saying something like that.

And what about the astronauts wearing Ukrainian colours? People chanting, "*censored* the war," at a concert in Russia.
 
Turkey can't handle an offensive war against russia. Although turkey will perform far better against the Russians than ukriane.
Turkey could just prevent access to the Bosporus Straight. Russia has no means of reaching Turkey by land and its navy is a joke at this point.
 
yeah they are idiots, they lost more ppl than germans in ww2 ,does that mean their victory is irrelevant & useless? why dont fan boys like you accept that its NATO vs Russia, not just ukraine. Nato & US has provided military support worth nearly $60 billion thats nearly the defence budget of russia. As a matter of fact we can say its ww3 , nato vs russia.

Moronic statement to say Russia is fighting NATO. I just love how Russia can easily manipulate the dim into believing such nonsense. I suppose using your dumb analogy the US can claim that in Vietnam they fought the NVA but chicoms and Soviet Union too? Lol. Only dimwit Murrrcan would believe such nonsense.

What US and NATO have so far supplied is not close to being a game changer what is happening is your Russian ally is militarily incompetent with inferior weapons tech which I guess why it would upset you and cause to blame NATO since India's military is vast majority Russian tech.

Ukraine so far hasn't deployed German and US self propelled arty, HiMARS/MLRS, switchblades, Harpoons and many many other heavy offensive weapons. Keep living in denial if it makes you feel better.
 
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Ukraine only has very limited access to a select range of defensive NATO weapons. It does not have the thousands of aircraft and 1,000+ stealth jets that NATO has, or the navies, or the cruise missiles, PrSM, GMLRS-ER etc. It certainly isn't WW3, that would be nuclear and nobody wins that and everyone dies.
As I pointed out $60 billion aid is equal to russian military budget, whether Nato gives it in form of flying f*** or a nuke it doesnt matter. It is still Nato vs russia, there are lot many reasons why nato wouldnt try that from sensitive tech to lack of operational knowledge or quite obvious that Nato doesnt have balls to take on russia directly.
Maybe we'll let him punch himself out first and then rollover him.
In short we are cowards.
That Ukraine has some neo-Nazis in it, just like Russia and every other European nation?
Some nazis? just like that. Every one witnessed western media's racist mentality during evacuation of ukraine during early stages of war. To say some is just plain intellectual dishonesty.

Russia will lose because the sanctions will never be removed whilst they remain in Ukraine, and Ukrainians will never stop fighting. So he will be losing economically, whilst losing copious amounts of military assets and personnel in the field. No Ukraine with Russian troops in it will ever see Russia trading with the EU.
Like iran sanctions or cuba sanctions...etc As long as russia is able to trade with china they aint losing any thing. Iran still calls the shot in lebanon, iraq and syria.

But yeah, he did go for all of Ukraine but then focussed on the little bit in the bottom left where the borders are shaped highly advantageously for an attacker.
You want to disregard the fact that for more than 8 years west provided military aid, training for ukranian troops to get very well entrenched on the ground?
 
And what about the astronauts wearing Ukrainian colours? People chanting, "*censored* the war," at a concert in Russia.

That's the problem with conscripted armies. People don't like wars, especially with the fear of getting drafted, and even more so where a clear end to the war is not visible. Even during WW2, the Russians wanted the war to end. Who wouldn't? Plus the sanctions have begun taking their toll on the average Russian.
 


No clue why this was missed on this thread.

So Mariupol was taken 4 days ago and the Russians claim to have taken 2500 Ukrainians as POWs.
2,500. :ROFLMAO:

It took then 3 months, that's hardly a victory, it's pathetic.
 
Moronic statement to say Russia is fighting NATO. I just love how Russia can easily manipulate the dim into believing such nonsense. I suppose using your dumb analogy the US can claim that in Vietnam they fought the NVA but chicoms and Soviet Union too? Lol. Only dimwit Murrrcan would believe such nonsense.
If vietnam war wasnt a proxy war then what was it?
What US and NATO have so far supplied is not close to being a game changer what is happening is your Russian ally is militarily incompetent with inferior weapons tech which I guess why it would upset you and cause to blame NATO since India's military is vast majority Russian tech.
stop acting like a immature kid and stick to the topic. Should I remind you that US got thrashed by a bunch of medieval animals in afghanistan does that make your weapons total thrash
Ukraine so far hasn't deployed German and US self propelled arty, HiMARS/MLRS, switchblades, Harpoons and many many other heavy offensive weapons. Keep living in denial if it makes you feel better?
All that I hear is that NATO has big balls , who or what prevents NATO from deploying it? or is it that after putins warnings so called big balls of Nato are stuck in its mouth between its chattering teeth.
 
If vietnam war wasnt a proxy war then what was it?

So you believe the US was fighting China and Soviet Union during the Vietnam War?
stop acting like a immature kid and stick to the topic.

It is on topic. It's my conjecture on why you believe such nonsense.
Should I remind you that US got thrashed by a bunch of medieval animals in afghanistan does that make your weapons total thrash


This is why I call you dim and call your analogy dumb. US offensive operations in Afghanistan ended early 2002 from there on out US forces became police and diplomats and conducted anti insurgent operations. US controlled all of Afghanistan/major population centers. US decided that sht hole was not worth it anymore and gave it to Afghan government and their military but didn't want it but the Taliban did so to them the nation went.

What's happening in Ukraine is still an offensive war by the Russian military against a nation that is literally just across their border.

Stop acting like an immature kid. ;)
All that I hear is that NATO has big balls , who or what prevents NATO from deploying it? or is it that after putins warnings so called big balls of Nato are stuck in its mouth between its chattering teeth.

Well training is preventing from deploying them it does take time. Putins warnings are meaningless he hasn't done a thing to US/NATO after sinking the Moskva which US took some responsibility and giving intel on their many generals that were killed.

You'd think Putin would use Mig-31s out Crimea to chase off US ISR aircraft from the Black sea but I guess Putin is just full of BS when it comes to his threats, huh?
 
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