Ukraine - Russia Conflict

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If you believe Ukrainian propaganda, then how are you expected to understand Russian objectives? That's the issue here, with both you and Hydra.

You don't know what the Russian objective is, how they are accomplishing it and how successfully they are doing it.

It's funny, right? Ukr is "winning", but it's Russia that's taking territory.

Russian objectives have shifted due to capability realisation.

Russia hasn't taken any territory for about 2 weeks now and it has 2,000 soldiers soldiers in a town north of Kherson.

What I don't understand about you. You saw them try take Kyiv and fail and withdraw, you saw them try take Odessa and fail, you saw them booted off Snake Island and out of Kharkiv and several towns in the Kherson region. Are you unable to understand reality?

 

[BMD]

Few things which most members forget here is that after the debacle in the first stage of the war during attack on Kiev, the Russians have switched to east and south and their role is mostly confined to supplying arms to the forces of the Luhansk and Donetsk. Russian forces are mostly providing fire support, AD and material with very limited actual combat. The real combat has been outsourced to mercenaries from various parts of Russia.

Russia has had 12,000-14,000 of its own military in the Donbass since 2014. It took a Russian court to admit it.

Russian court says country's soldiers in Ukraine – DW – 12/16/2021

A Russian court has acknowledged the country's armed forces are present in the eastern part of Ukraine. The Kremlin has persistently denied the presence of Russian forces in the Donbas region.

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They have shedloads now, their patches have been collected of dead bodies, so clearly they are not rear echelon only.

So if I put a Wagner patch on a Russian soldier he no longer counts as Russian forces? Wagner is the Russian government trying to sidestep responsibility for getting Russians killed en masse.

Need ATACMS for that, since bigger SAMs are not in operation in the newly occupied territories.

The ones in Donbas, Kherson etc have smaller SAMs like the Pantsir, Tor and Buk. But those sites are being targeted by Ukr with limited success. Can't do anything without expanding the size of the rocket forces to hundreds actually.

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I am an Indian, i do not need to propagate the propoganda of anyone other than GOI. I m treating both Ukrain & Russia equally in this war, so asper me Russian actin is completely against the international law( of course unwritten ) just like the US action in Iraq.
I am not believing any propaganda too here, just believing the time line, 5+ months and counting.

None of that is relevant. Reality doesn't care about ethics.

As for 5 months, what about the Americans in Afghanistan after 20 years of fighting? Or would you say that's different?

After the Donbas operation started, Western propaganda went up by many notches, to the point where even NATO officers are openly lying about what's happening. Do you know why? The Russians are demonstrating capabilities that even NATO is not prepared to handle. And the Ukrainians are getting slaughtered in numbers that even the US cannot handle without WW2-level mobilisation. That's how bad it is.

 

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Russian objectives have shifted due to capability realisation.

Russia hasn't taken any territory for about 2 weeks now and it has 2,000 soldiers soldiers in a town north of Kherson.

What I don't understand about you. You saw them try take Kyiv and fail and withdraw, you saw them try take Odessa and fail, you saw them booted off Snake Island and out of Kharkiv and several towns in the Kherson region. Are you unable to understand reality?

Only the Kiev offensive was a clusterfvck. The rest you posted...

 

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Oh look, they're still about 10km from Soledar or Bakhmut. And you complain about Ukrainian propaganda.

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Only the Kiev offensive was a clusterfvck. The rest you posted...

The Kherson offensive is a clusterfvck, Snake Island another, Kharkiv another. All the blue areas are areas recaptured by Ukraine.

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None of that is relevant. Reality doesn't care about ethics.

As for 5 months, what about the Americans in Afghanistan after 20 years of fighting? Or would you say that's different?

After the Donbas operation started, Western propaganda went up by many notches, to the point where even NATO officers are openly lying about what's happening. Do you know why? The Russians are demonstrating capabilities that even NATO is not prepared to handle. And the Ukrainians are getting slaughtered in numbers that even the US cannot handle without WW2-level mobilisation. That's how bad it is.

No but for someone who spent so long complaining about 18th century imperialism, you sure do support 21st century imperialism a whole lot.

What the fvcking fvck crack pipe are you on? NATO wasn't prepared for them to be this crap maybe. Buying drones from Iran.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Invincible IADS getting destroyed by drones and HIMARS. 1 2 3 potato level driving skills.... The list goes on.

 

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None of that is relevant. Reality doesn't care about ethics.

As for 5 months, what about the Americans in Afghanistan after 20 years of fighting? Or would you say that's different?

After the Donbas operation started, Western propaganda went up by many notches, to the point where even NATO officers are openly lying about what's happening. Do you know why? The Russians are demonstrating capabilities that even NATO is not prepared to handle. And the Ukrainians are getting slaughtered in numbers that even the US cannot handle without WW2-level mobilisation. That's how bad it is.

Lol. It was a 20 year peacekeeping mission as stupidly as it was.

How about Desert Storm? How about 2003 Iraq war? Ukraine is right next to Russia and all you dumb a** fanboys believe Russia as some sort of a military super power that hasn't been able to achieve its goal it set from the beginning against a peasant military that uses soviet era weapons of which the Russian military is more than familiar with. The fact that Russian military hasn't been able to neutralize soviet era s300's and buk SAMs, whether by kinetic or EW, shows that Russian conventional forces was all an illusion that Pooty-poo was dumb enough to believe.

Russian air force is a joke! Why it is MIA over Ukraine is one of the greatest mysteries that will be talked about for years to come.

 

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No but for someone who spent so long complaining about 18th century imperialism, you sure do support 21st century imperialism a whole lot.

Ha! You think exactly like the professional sheeple CIA has raised you to be.

Putin always wanted to recreate the SU, but he didn't. Why? Recreating the SU meant handing over other Eastern European states to the US. And that's exactly what's happening now. This war, that Putin so desperately wanted to avoid but egged on by the US, has practically handed over almost all of Europe to the US, particularly Eastern Europe. And in the meantime, the sanctions will significantly weaken Western Europe both economically and politically.

The ultimate long term goal of the US is to push Russia closer to China and away from countries like India and the ME and North Africa. This couldn't be done without Russia actively working to recreate the SU.

You personally have nothing to complain about though. As the principle ally of the US, this war benefits the UK too.

What the fvcking fvck crack pipe are you on? NATO wasn't prepared for them to be this crap maybe. Buying drones from Iran.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Invincible IADS getting destroyed by drones and HIMARS. 1 2 3 potato level driving skills.... The list goes on.

See the result for yourself after the Russians are finished.

 

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The Kherson offensive is a clusterfvck, Snake Island another, Kharkiv another. All the blue areas are areas recaptured by Ukraine.

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Have you ever considered the Russians retreat in order to force the UAF to move out of fortifications and force them to attack Russian defences, thereby taking more losses than necessary?

How about Desert Storm? How about 2003 Iraq war?

Why don't you look up the numbers the US used?

 

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Toppling a democratically elected government.

Russia says it wants to end Ukraine's `unacceptable regime'

Russia’s top diplomat said Moscow’s overarching goal in Ukraine is to free its people from its “unacceptable regime,” expressing the Kremlin’s war aims in some of the bluntest terms yet as its forces pummel the country with artillery barrages and airstrikes. The remark from Russian Foreign...

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Armed Forces of Ukraine gain fire control over Russian logistics routes in Kherson region

VALENTYNA ROMANENKO - MONDAY, 25 JULY, 2022, 12:15 The Armed Forces of Ukraine are keeping the Russian invaders' logistics routes in Kherson Oblast under fire control, which increases the advantage of the Ukrainian military.

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Have you ever considered the Russians retreat in order to force the UAF to move out of fortifications and force them to attack Russian defences, thereby taking more losses than necessary?


Why don't you look up the numbers the US used?

Always with the excuses. It's great how these excuses only apply in one direction too.

Putin overstretched as he redirects 85% of Russian forces into Ukraine

VLADIMIR PUTIN has redirected almost 85 percent of Russia's military to Ukraine, a senior US defence official has said.

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Ha! You think exactly like the professional sheeple CIA has raised you to be.

Putin always wanted to recreate the SU, but he didn't. Why? Recreating the SU meant handing over other Eastern European states to the US. And that's exactly what's happening now. This war, that Putin so desperately wanted to avoid but egged on by the US, has practically handed over almost all of Europe to the US, particularly Eastern Europe. And in the meantime, the sanctions will significantly weaken Western Europe both economically and politically.

The ultimate long term goal of the US is to push Russia closer to China and away from countries like India and the ME and North Africa. This couldn't be done without Russia actively working to recreate the SU.

You personally have nothing to complain about though. As the principle ally of the US, this war benefits the UK too.



See the result for yourself after the Russians are finished.

Why, because I called out your glaring hypocrisy? Russia has hung on to its colonial territories and is trying to acquire more territory. People complain that it's bad to sanction Russia because it has a lot of natural resources people need. Well the reason it has so much is because it took so much through imperialism, allowing further theft of territory and resources through Russian imperialism will only make the situation even worse in the future. Does anyone really wanted Russia getting bigger? Do you want 1.75% of the world's population controlling over 20% of its natural resources?

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So the US is forcing Putin to recreate the USSR? WTF! Honestly, it's like Putin can't be held responsible for anything. I sometimes wonder if you think at all period.

Not really. All we see is higher prices, we get very little out of it if Ukraine wins, but allowing Russia to seize Ukrainian natural resources is bad for the world over. It would mean they can manipulate African/ME countries by turning off the wheat supply, and there's no electorate to moderate the Russian government's behaviour when it comes to stuff like that. It's all down to one lunatic and his yes-monkeys.

Dear God, they should already be finished... like 4 months ago if they were a superpower. Begging for drones from Iran in month 6, seized only about 10% of the remaining Ukrainian territory outside Crimea and original Donbass territories. Ukrainian air force still flying. War still being fought symmetrically. Russian ammunition dumps sprouting mushrooms everywhere.

 

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Blow for Putin as China abandons investment in Russia

China has not funded any new infrastructure projects in Russia for months as Beijing focuses its attention on preventing a financial crisis at home.

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Ukrainian Armed Forces kill 100 Russian soldiers in a hotel in Krasnyi Luch

ROMAN PETRENKO - MONDAY, 25 JULY 2022, 09:18 The Strategic Communications Centre reports that on the night of 23-24 July, the Ukrainian Armed Forces struck a hotel in the city of Krasnyi Luch, in Luhansk Oblast, killing 100 Russian soldiers.

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