Ukraine - Russia Conflict

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Ночной прилёт по гостиннице Нинель в Херсоне на ул. Белинского. Сообщается, что там базировались фсб-шники, есть погибшие орки прислать новость @hueviy_kherson_Bot 👉 ПОДПИСАТЬСЯ
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Missile strike reported at Ninel hotel in Kherson, used as a base by Russian FSB
 
BMD said:
Insurgency/asymmetric wars are not the same as direct warfare, which is what Russia is losing right now. Especially not when, in Vietnam they took 90% of the targets off board before beginning, i.e. not bombing above a certain parallel. Russia never held back in that manner. Vietnam still suffered 20x the casualty rate. Russia can't claim that either. Both Russia and China were supporting Vietnam too. And in Afghanistan they took the country in weeks, has Russia achieved that Ukraine? Again, 20x casualty rate was inflicted in the enemy. The only thing lost was interest. Now the Taliban are dealing with an insurgency, which has never really ended since 1973. So really, nothing was lost, they inflicted a 20x casualty rate on the Taliban and Al-Quaeda and the country is in the same crappy state it's been in for 50 years, there's no magic trick to fix that.
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If you go and ask russia they will say the same, that they are fighting a restrained war. In afghanistan the proxy protagonist pakistan was not strong enuf to directly oppose US hence they tried war by stealth. It is just matter of capability & capacity of the sides that decide how they will sustain the proxy war. The moment third party intervenes directly or indirectly , all claims of insurgency ends up being void, it is no longer insurgency but war by stealth.
BMD said:
but there is no question which side was worse.
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thats your view , as I said earlier victor gets to write the history. If germans had won we would be seeing things differently not bcos they are right but bcos they get to write what they want.
BMD said:
Another question. If civilians are making bombs, tanks and fighter planes etc. can they still be ignored as targets?
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At the end of the day war is between two sides one side wants to subjugate or destroy the other side, whether you like it or not sooner or later every thing will become a target. Unlike in the past where battles were fought far from civilian areas now they are directly fought over civilian areas. Any person or system supporting or supplying the military becomes a target for the enemy. Their claim is quite simple we are stopping the supply chain of enemies.
 
It's not a proxy war. That's what Russian like to tell themselves so that they don't have to admit they're losing against the "khokhols" or the "ukrops".

Sure, western countries are helping Ukraine with materiel and information. However, that's not the reason why Russia is losing. Western help has never ensured victory when the people just don't want to fight. Just look at how long Afghanistan held against the Talibans once US troops went back home. All the materiel that had been given to the Afghan army was just never used, instead of fighting the Afghans fled or surrendered.

So, no, the only reason why Russia is getting trounced is because they are fighting a people that wants to push them out. And, more than Western assistance, the real asset that helps Ukraine fight back is Russia's abysmal incompetence. The troops are poorly equipped because of corruption. They are poorly used because of incompetence -- using special forces or military police as infantry, which is a complete waste of personnel. They have no cohesion -- there's the regular Russian army, itself divided into several branches, but then you've also got the DNR/LNR militias, the hired Wagner thugs, and Rosgvardia and the special units of the FSB, plus Kadyrov's troops. All the groups that are not part of the regular Russian army are not part of the Russian army. They don't obey the Russian MoD, they do their own thing. Just look at how Wagner keeps trying to take Bakhmut instead of doing something useful. After over seven months of "special military operation" that was supposed to last three days, most of the Russian troops don't know what, how, and why they're supposed to be doing in Ukraine. But they get pissed off at the irregulars that get preferential treatment.

Case in point:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1577783920246022149
 
Guynextdoor said:
Russia will not withdraw. Russia will prevail.
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In Kherson west of the Dnieper it's done, Ukraine is just using it as a Snake Island II at the moment. Seeing how many assets the Russians are stupid enough to send there.
 
jetray said:
If you go and ask russia they will say the same, that they are fighting a restrained war. In afghanistan the proxy protagonist pakistan was not strong enuf to directly oppose US hence they tried war by stealth. It is just matter of capability & capacity of the sides that decide how they will sustain the proxy war. The moment third party intervenes directly or indirectly , all claims of insurgency ends up being void, it is no longer insurgency but war by stealth.
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A restrained war where they've used twice as many cruise missiles as NATO has used in the last 50 years (ever really) and conducted strikes on schools, theatres, shopping centres, hospitals and crowded train stations.... and made over half a dozen mass graves? As well as losing more tanks and ground vehicles than NATO has lost in the last 70 years? A restrained war with a draft? A restrained war where millions have fled Russia? A restrained war where they've threatened to use tactical nukes? :ROFLMAO:

Your restrained war:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1577921928525860864

This is not an insurgency, there is a front line and they only hold a small fraction of the country. You call this an insurgency?


jetray said:
thats your view , as I said earlier victor gets to write the history. If germans had won we would be seeing things differently not bcos they are right but bcos they get to write what they want.
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You wouldn't be seeing anything differently because you'd have been gassed if the Germans had won.

jetray said:
At the end of the day war is between two sides one side wants to subjugate or destroy the other side, whether you like it or not sooner or later every thing will become a target. Unlike in the past where battles were fought far from civilian areas now they are directly fought over civilian areas. Any person or system supporting or supplying the military becomes a target for the enemy. Their claim is quite simple we are stopping the supply chain of enemies.
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Except in this case that isn't true because Ukraine is being supplied externally.

Terrible arguments as usual. F-
 
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RASALGHUL said:
it's time to lift the sanctions on iranian and venezulean oil.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com

In break with the West, Opec and Russia to cut oil output - Times of India

Europe News: As the EU pushed ahead on Wednesday with an ambitious but untested plan to limit Russia’s oil revenue, Western efforts to drain funding from President.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com timesofindia.indiatimes.com
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their asses have been kissed, polishing is still underway , results unknown.

www.npr.org

The U.S. renews talks with oil-rich Venezuela after banning Russian oil imports

Debbie Elliott speaks with Diego Area, deputy director of strategic development at the Atlantic Council, about relations between the U.S. and Venezuela and the implications of renewed diplomacy.
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ukraine wants sanctions on russian nuclear power company but their western masters not interested.

kyivindependent.com

Foreign Ministry calls for sanctions against Russian nuclear power company Rosatom

Ukraine's Foreign Ministry published a statement on Oct. 5, urging Western allies to impose sanctions on Russia's state nuclear operator Rosatom, "companies and institutions affiliated with it" and called on IAEA member states to limit cooperation with Russia.
kyivindependent.com kyivindependent.com
 
Kherson region. The 59th brigade minus the army of the Russian Federation

 
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