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Er, yes. Pakistan. Perhaps even BD and Sri Lanka, if some idiot in the West decides to turn them into security threats to India. There are plenty of fissures within India that can be used to sanction us at the drop of a hat.

We don't want to be put in a situation where someone has to say "I don't see you being sanctioned". What we want to hear is "We cannot sanction you". Until that happens, India will stay neutral and have only security partners.


One word: gulams.
Wait, what? How exactly and why exactly would we do that?
 
Its always been a theme for people to fight for their country, in the face of foreign invasion. And there's nothing inherently wrong with being willing to sacrifice infrastructure for sovereignty. Rarely does a country or a people just accept an invading force.
Agreed,but there are some exceptions.
 
This is the basis of US attitude towards others. People always speaks against USA by quoting their treatment on iraq, Pakistan etc. But they failed to see how countries like Soko, japan, western Europe had benefited from US. These countries have one thing in common, ie they are not hostile towards others.

Last but not least, india needs to invade Pakistan to get back POK, which is legitimate land belongs to India.
My opinion, Kashmir isn't worth it. Originally it was supposed to be independent of both India and Pakistan if my knowledge of history serves me correctly.
 
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Wait, what? How exactly and why exactly would we do that?

By favoring India's neighbour economically and technologically as India still lacks basic technology advancements. Using the neighbours of India to create unrest within India. India will already surrender before the war.

By provoking fight between China and India.

It will never be like Russia and Ukraine. Russia is a damn good super power, they provide rocket engines to US they are master in space application of mechanics and aerodynamics. India still need to do 100 years of more work to match that capability.

There is some stupid politics going within India calling the efforts to rescue the students from ukraine as a PR stunt to win elections and relate it to some right wing policy. all that crap.

You guys already know everything why asking?
 
When Pakistan invaded India in Kargil 1999, USA blocked access to GPS for the Indian military and they have a history of sanctioning India in the past. There is a reason there are zero American fighter jets in India.
India's big strategic mistake was not aligning with NATO during the Cold War. I'm very critical about Pakistani policy and how they hid Bin Laden but let's face it, they were smarter than you on that one and they've spent decades enjoying the advantage it provided. The West's growing distrust for Pakistan following the Bin Laden incident is a golden opportunity for India.
 
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Visa and Mastercard were already crying about losing marketshare to UPI and Rupay network in India, now they have lost Russia too:

Why not India's RuPay? Or Indian system is run by frauds this is why Indians themselves are not using it, even after 170 million dollars of markettign done by government in December 2021?
 
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There will never be any strong economic base in India due to it's cultural differences among the states and people.

If one state in India is well developed, it will try to dominate the other states and this will lead to civil war. And this is why past 75 years and on, India is yet to decide which economic path it has to take.

Already there was a report that due to such difference and some sabotage from abroad on the lines of caste, region, class, religion and language the total GDP growth rate of India has been reduced multi-fold times.

Most of the development in India is superficial and whatever development happens, let's stay in city infrastructure is directly copied from west without having an iota of thought on their own requirements and needs.

And all of India's neighbors understand it.
- No one knows. China was considered basket case due to communism in 1950-70s too. So was Bangladesh. China, well, everyone know whats has happened and Bangladesh is making massives strides from being a basket case.

- Oh? So Kerala is dominating... Rajasthan? OR UP? Or Maharashtra dominating Orissa? OR Goa dominating MP? Or south India dominating UP? Rubbish!

- India's GDP slows down due to India's absymal investment in education, especially vocational one, its archiac and fractured legal system, its misuse of public funds in populist socialistic programs to get votes and total lack of investment in infra. these are policy failures not sabotages.

- Wrong! Its NOT copied from west because if it WERE copied from west in earnest, it would not have been so shit! Take a look at city roads. Why do you think they are having pot holes even in the most "developed" cities? Simple reason, they do not build roads in India by putting in support in ground to distribute load. They just metal the surface -- unless for high ways. Or electricity...Why does India still hang wires in air while most of the "west" have moved to underground cables OR gas, why do most of Indian cities distribute gas using cylinders while most of developed western countries have pipeline gas OR water why does Indian cities in south need to buy drinking water as bottles separately and why do buildings get approved without no connection of corporation water supply? In west, you cannot develop a lot without utilities connected to it.. ie sewage, electricity, water and you can actually drink tap water. So, NO, India has NOT copied anything from west atleast properly.
 
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Wait, what? How exactly and why exactly would we do that?

To control us. That's how the US has been operating against India for decades already.

Our potential is too big and too powerful for the US to compete with. So we will have to be cut down to size eventually.
 
By favoring India's neighbour economically and technologically as India still lacks basic technology advancements. Using the neighbours of India to create unrest within India. India will already surrender before the war.

By provoking fight between China and India.

It will never be like Russia and Ukraine. Russia is a damn good super power, they provide rocket engines to US they are master in space application of mechanics and aerodynamics. India still need to do 100 years of more work to match that capability.

There is some stupid politics going within India calling the efforts to rescue the students from ukraine as a PR stunt to win elections and relate it to some right wing policy. all that crap.

You guys already know everything why asking?
India has territorial disputes with China and it's not like China likes accepting perceived territory loss, it's not like any stirring needs to be done there.
 
- Oh? So Kerala is dominating... Rajasthan? OR UP? Or Maharashtra dominating Orissa? OR Goa dominating MP? Or south India dominating UP? Rubbish!

Marathi Vs Bhaiya, ever heard of? Brahmins were thrown out from Tamil Nadu as well, because dravidians think they are aryans. Sikhs killed in Delhi So many things.

If the PM is from Gujarat only Gujarati businessmen get benefit, if he is from punjab, punjabis become dominant.

This country is doomed by the people.
India's GDP slows down due to India's absymal investment in education, especially vocational one

When the education minister is from Punjab only Punjab gets the majority of benefit, if he is from South, only Tamilians get the benefit.

Why do you think ISRO has more southies? Because of the partiality done with northies.

Try asking an IAS officer from south, why he doesn't want any posting in North? So many cases.
Wrong! Its NOT copied from west because if it WERE copied from west in earnest, it would not have been so shit! Take a look at city roads.

Go to NCR all of them are building houses as per UAE design. In Mumbai every building is collapsing is due to the fact that they have all build in dubai style. Is dubai having Tropical climate?


Any ways back to topic now.
 
Most of the development in India is superficial and whatever development happens, let's stay in city infrastructure is directly copied from west without having an iota of thought on their own requirements and needs.
Not copied very well, China seems better at copying.
 
India has territorial disputes with China and it's not like China likes accepting perceived territory loss, it's not like any stirring needs to be done there.
Yeah thanks to British empire who signed some stupid treaty with China.
Not copied very well, China seems better at copying.

Thank for correcting me, we simply buy and use. Copying requires mind as well.
 
To control us. That's how the US has been operating against India for decades already.

Our potential is too big and too powerful for the US to compete with. So we will have to be cut down to size eventually.
The reason for historical differences is simple. Pakistan was smarter than you and aligned with NATO during the Cold War and reaped the benefits of that despite often being in the wrong. You made a bad decision and aligned with the brotherhood of dictatorships (despite being a democracy) which had consequences.
 
Its always been a theme for people to fight for their country, in the face of foreign invasion. And there's nothing inherently wrong with being willing to sacrifice infrastructure for sovereignty. Rarely does a country or a people just accept an invading force.
That's fine when you have reached the point of no return and your land is being reduced to dust. But why allow it to happen in the first place?
  • Zelenskyy did not believe the warnings from US that Russia would attack (many of us, myself included, were thinking that its actually deliberate misinformation being given by US, maybe even US thought it that way till a few days before 24 Feb!).
  • When Zelenskyy saw that Putin was sending such clear signals he should have toned down his demands to join NATO and making generally anti-Kremlin statements. He foolishly did not.
  • Just before the invasion was announced when it appeared that deescalation was actually happening, US and Zelenskyy exhibited unnecessary triumphalism. He again reiterated that Ukraine needs to join NATO. He deluded himself into thinking that it was because of NATO that Putin was backing off.
  • These things might have made all the madness of Putin to spill over and the brutal invasion actually is happening now.
  • He's still asking NATO to establish no-fly zones.
IMO Zelenskyy is a stupid egoistic patriot.
 
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Yeah thanks to British empire who signed some stupid treaty with China.
My personal opinion on territories, especially relatively small ones in remote places, is leave them as they are. Fighting over them generally costs 100 times what they worth.
That's fine when you have reached the point of no return and your land is being reduced to dust. But why allow it to happen in the first place?
  • Zelenskyy did not accept the warnings from US that Russia would attack (many of us were thinking that its actually deliberate misinformation being given by Us, maybe even US thought it that way till a few days before 24 Feb).
  • When Zelenskyy saw that Putin was sending such clear signals he should have toned down his demands to join NATO. He foolishly did not.
  • Just before the invasion was announced when it appeared that deescalation was actually happening, US and Zelenskyy exhibited unnecessary triumphalism. He again reiterated that Ukraine needs to join NATO. He deluded himself into thinking that it was because of NATO that Putin was backing off.
  • This might have made all the madness of Putin to spill over and the brutal invasion actually is happening now.
  • He's still asking NATO to establish no-fly zones.
IMO Zelenskyy is a stupid egoistic patriot.
I think the guy already felt unsafe and now Finland feels the same way.
 
You made a bad decision and aligned with the brotherhood of dictatorships (despite being a democracy) which had consequences.

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Kingdom of the Netherlands
Dominion of Canada
Duchy of Luxembourg
Realm of New Zealand
Kingdom of Norway
Kingdom of Sweden

These are all major NATO countries and Monarchies not a Democracy
 
@vstol Jockey : @Hellfire has tweeted a few hours back that the chances of a insurgency in Ukraine is increasing with each passing day, and that Russia's exit strategies do not look easy.


I wonder what kind of a guy this Zelenskyy is. Even now he is asking NATO for favours and is exhorting his countrymen to act like insurgents. He's fine with Ukraine getting reduced to a place where nothing other than insurgency thrives. I feel like actually believing that he's a western stooge.

More like a delusional idiot. He's not a politician.

The guy who's supposed to be Ukraine's leader, this led to his removal: